Domain of f(x,y) = x^y: All Real Pairs Except (0,0)

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The discussion revolves around determining the domain of the function f(x,y) = x^y, with participants exploring the conditions under which this function is defined, particularly focusing on the values of x and y.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mixed

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  • Participants initially suggest that the domain might include all real pairs except (0,0), but some question whether x can be negative and how that affects the definition of the function. There are discussions about the implications of logarithmic definitions and the behavior of the function under different conditions for x and y.

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The conversation is ongoing, with various interpretations being explored. Some participants have provided insights into the restrictions on x and y, particularly regarding the discontinuity of the function when x is negative. There is a mix of understanding and confusion, with some participants expressing a need for further clarification.

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Participants are grappling with the definitions of exponentiation, especially in cases where x is negative and y is a non-integer. The discussion reflects a range of assumptions about the function's behavior under different conditions.

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Homework Statement


What is the domain of f(x,y)=x^y




The Attempt at a Solution


I thought it would be all real pairs except (0,0)
but it is x>0 and y all real numbers?
 
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If ##z=x^y##, then ##ln(z)=yln(x)##

Do you see why x cannot be less than zero?
 
JuanSolo said:

Homework Statement


What is the domain of f(x,y)=x^y




The Attempt at a Solution


I thought it would be all real pairs except (0,0)
but it is x>0 and y all real numbers?

How do you define (-1)^(1/2) or even worse (-1)^sqrt(2)?
 
Vorde said:
If ##z=x^y##, then ##ln(z)=yln(x)##

Do you see why x cannot be less than zero?


Look at this. Now where is ln(x) defined? Is it discontinuous anywhere? Are there any points where the function isn't defined...
 
Sorry, I don't think I fully understand
Would it not be defined when y is something like 2 or whatever, even if x is negative?
 
JuanSolo said:
Sorry, I don't think I fully understand
Would it not be defined when y is something like 2 or whatever, even if x is negative?
How about when x < 0, if y = 1/2 or y = √(2). What then?
 
see this If z=x^y, then ln(z)=yln(x) , x cannot be less than zero since x is not defined if it is less than 0 . if you don't believe, you can press your calculator to see whether it has a result when you put in x a value which is less than 0.
 
but as long as x>0 , y can be defined in any value in R.
given x>0,
IF y>0 , f(x,y)=x^y .
IF y<0 , f(x,y)=x^(-y) = 1/(x^y)
IF y=0 , f(x,y)=1.
BUT when x<0 , the function is not defined , meaning , you can't get any answer, the function is discontinuous in x<0.
the domain of x is (0,∞) ,while y is (-∞,∞)
 
JuanSolo said:
Sorry, I don't think I fully understand
Would it not be defined when y is something like 2 or whatever, even if x is negative?
It depends on your definition of exponentiation. If you were to restrict y to the integers, then yes, you could consistently define xy for negative values of x. On the other hand, for real numbers x and y, xy is often defined by xy=ey log x, which isn't defined if x<0.
 
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I see
This is the first time I'm hearing of such a definition, I'll have to learn more about it
But thank you, I think I understand now
 
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loy said:
but as long as x>0 , y can be defined in any value in R.
given x>0,
IF y>0 , f(x,y)=x^y .
IF y<0 , f(x,y)=x^(-y) = 1/(x^y)
IF y=0 , f(x,y)=1.
BUT when x<0 , the function is not defined , meaning , you can't get any answer, the function is discontinuous in x<0.
the domain of x is (0,∞) ,while y is (-∞,∞)
Your line,
IF y<0 , f(x,y)=x^(-y) = 1/(x^y)​
is incorrect.

You can say
[itex]\displaystyle \text{If }\ y<0\,,\ \text{ then }f(x,y)=x^{-|y|} = \frac{1}{x^{|y|}}\ .[/itex]​
 

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