Finding Domain for Complex Numbers: |y-x|<=2, |x|<=2

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The discussion revolves around finding the domain for complex numbers defined by the inequalities |y-x|<=2 and |x|<=2, where z=x+iy and both x and y are real numbers. Participants express confusion regarding the interpretation and manipulation of these inequalities.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the implications of the inequalities, with some suggesting the use of polar coordinates and others questioning how to handle the absolute value expressions. There is a discussion about the representation of complex numbers and the calculation of norms.

Discussion Status

The discussion has evolved with various interpretations being explored. Some participants have provided guidance on how to visualize the inequalities and suggested methods for representing complex numbers. There is recognition of differing approaches and some resolution of confusion regarding the instructor's previous mistakes.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of correctly interpreting the inequalities and the potential for confusion arising from the choice of variable representation. There is mention of a discrepancy between personal results and those of an instructor, which was later clarified.

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i have to find this domain
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i have to find such domain
z=x+iy , y,x∈ℝ , |y-x|<=2, |x|<=2

i'm confused with |y-x|<=2, how should i proceed ? with abs of x i am ok.
 
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Have you tried to write ##x,y## is polar coordinates? Or start with reals: What does ##|x|<2## mean for real numbers?
 
##e^{-x}*e^{iy} = e^{-x+iy}## this?
 
DottZakapa said:
##e^{-x}*e^{iy} = e^{-x+iy}## this?
No. You have to resolve the norm, so you must represent the complex numbers ##x,y## somehow. Do you know how we can write them, in order to calculate ##|x|##?
 
i know that |z| = ##\sqrt {x^2+y^2}##
but i don't know how to handle this |y-x|
 
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DottZakapa said:
i know that |z| = ##\sqrt {x^2+y^2}##
but i don't know how to handle this |y-x|
O.k. Polar coordinates would have been ##z=r\cdot e^{i\varphi}## and ##|z|=r##.
Anyway. In order to write ##|z| = \sqrt {x^2+y^2}## you had to write ##z=x+iy## first. This was a bad choice, as ##x,y## will be needed as complex numbers, so the letters are already occupied. You should have written ##z=a+ib## and ##|z|=\sqrt{a^2+b^2}.##

Now we have two complex variables ##x,y##. We first write them as ##x=a+ib## and ##y=c+id##. Can you calculate ##x-y## and ##|x-y|##? And you still have to answer post #2: Which domain is ##|a|<2## if ##a## is real?
 
so if x = a+ib and y= c+id then
y-x would be (c-a)+i(d-b) then the |y-x|= ##\sqrt {(c-a)^2+(d-b)^2}##

then
##\sqrt {(c-a)^2+(d-b)^2}<=2##=> ##(c-a)^2+(d-b)^2<=4##
 
DottZakapa said:
so if x = a+ib and y= c+id then
y-x would be (c-a)+i(d-b) then the |y-x|= ##\sqrt {(c-a)^2+(d-b)^2}##

then
##\sqrt {(c-a)^2+(d-b)^2}<=2##=> ##(c-a)^2+(d-b)^2<=4##
Yes, but you must be careful with squaring inequalities. You cannot go back easily. That's why I asked for the meaning of ##|a|<2##.
 
a is comprised between -2 and 2. isn't it?
 
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Yes, and the same is true if ##Z=a+ib## is complex. However, the complex norm is defined to be positive, so here we get for ##z=a+ib## from ##|z|=|a+ib|=\sqrt{a^2+b^2}## that ##0\leq \sqrt{a^2+b^2}<2## must hold. Try to draw the points ##\{(a,b)\in \mathbb{R}\}^2\,|\,0\leq\sqrt{a^2+b^2}<2## in a coordinate system with axis ##a## and ##b##. And then figure out where ##z## has to be, if the coordinates were ##a## and ##ib##.
 
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fresh_42 said:
This was a bad choice, as ##x,y## will be needed as complex numbers, so the letters are already occupied. You should have written ##z=a+ib## and ##|z|=\sqrt{a^2+b^2}.#

I disagree. x \in \mathbb{R} and y \in \mathbb{R} are defined by the OP's question as being the real and imaginary parts of z \in \mathbb{C}, and conditions are then placed upon x and y in order to restrict z to a particular subset of \mathbb{C}. That is the natural way to interpret
DottZakapa said:
i have to find such domain
z=x+iy , y,x∈ℝ , |y-x|<=2, |x|<=2

So the OP is looking for (x,y) \in \mathbb{R}^2 such that |y - x| \leq 2 (and |x| \leq 2, but they already know how to deal with that).

So start with something easier. Take C \in \mathbb{R} such that |C| \leq 2 and consider y - x = C. What does that look like?
 
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pasmith said:
I disagree. x \in \mathbb{R} and y \in \mathbb{R} are defined by the OP's question as being the real and imaginary parts of z \in \mathbb{C}, and conditions are then placed upon x and y in order to restrict z to a particular subset of \mathbb{C}. That is the natural way to interpretSo the OP is looking for (x,y) \in \mathbb{R}^2 such that |y - x| \leq 2 (and |x| \leq 2, but they already know how to deal with that).

So start with something easier. Take C \in \mathbb{R} such that |C| \leq 2 and consider y - x = C. What does that look like?

i did try in such way, but the results of the instructor did not coincide. Going forward in the video, he made a mistake and corrected it. So problem sorted. Is like you say. thanks to anyone :thumbup:
 
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The region |y-x|<2 is clearly bounded by the lines y=x+2 and y=x-2, so sketch those. Superimpose the bounds for |x|<2.
 
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thank you, as said above i have sorted the problem. the adopted procedure before posting the problem here was the same as @pasmith and you proposed. A dubdt raised for a discrepancy between my obtained result and the one of the instructor, which later on revealed to be a calculation mistake of the instructor.
 

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