Doppler Effect: Airplane, Sound, & Frequency

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The discussion centers on the Doppler Effect as it relates to an airplane traveling faster than the speed of sound. It establishes that sound is still emitted from a siren on the airplane, but the observer would only hear it after the airplane has passed due to the compression of sound waves in front of the aircraft. The conversation highlights that the Doppler equations remain valid, predicting negative frequencies when the airplane approaches at supersonic speeds, resulting in sounds being perceived in reverse order. This phenomenon is likened to concepts in science fiction, particularly in relation to time travel.

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  • Doppler Effect principles
  • Understanding of sound wave propagation
  • Basic knowledge of supersonic flight dynamics
  • Familiarity with negative frequency concepts in wave theory
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This is not homework but rather a concept question.

If there was a siren on the front of an airplane that is traveling greater than the speed of sound, would there still be a sound emitted?

If the airplane was traveling toward me what would be the frequency? Would I heart it?

Where would the Doppler equations break down?
 
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A sound is still emitted yes. For a stationary source the wavefronts are circles (in 2D). As the source approaches the speed of sound the circles stretch out behind the source and bunch up in front. At the speed of sound the waves bunch up at the tip of the airplane while at the back they stretch out further. At greater speeds, all the waves propagate backwards in the airplanes rest frame (but still radially in the observers rest frame).

You could hear the sound of the airplanes approach but not until after it has passed (i.e the plane would beat the sound). If the plane traveled towards you traveling at twice the speed of sound you would hear the song playing exactly backwards.

The Doppler equations don't break down, they predict negative frequencies when the plane travels towards you, so signals emitted later in time, arrive earlier in time.
 
"you would hear the song playing exactly backwards." This was exactly what I was wondering. If a person was speaking out the front of the plane, the words would come in reversed but then one could not understand a word played out backwards. Interesting concept.
 
Yeah it's very interesting, I suppose from this example you can understand a little better why traveling faster than the speed of light can be thought of as traveling backwards in time as well.
 
These effects could be the basis for a good si-fi movie?
 
barryj said:
These effects could be the basis for a good si-fi movie?

I'm not a Star Trek fan but I think this effect is what makes Warp Drive work haha
 

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