Doppler effect and signs of the equation

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The problem involves the Doppler effect, focusing on a scenario where a motor scooter and a police car are moving towards and away from each other. The original poster seeks to determine the difference in frequency heard by the scooter driver as the vehicles approach and then separate, given the stationary frequency of the police siren.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the need to calculate frequency differences using the Doppler effect equation, expressing uncertainty about when to add or subtract the velocities of the source and listener. There is also a mention of the speed of sound versus the speed of light, indicating confusion regarding terminology.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing insights about the Doppler effect and its application. Some guidance has been provided regarding the mathematical relationships involved, but no consensus has been reached on the specific calculations or interpretations of the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the complexities of the Doppler effect equation and its variables, with particular attention to the roles of the source and listener velocities. There is an emphasis on understanding the correct application of the equation in different scenarios.

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Homework Statement


A motor scooter moving at 10 m/s approaches and passes a police car moving at 50 m/s in the opposite direction. The frequency of the siren on the police car is 700 hz when the car stands still. the difference in frequency heard by the driver of the scooter between when the two vehicles are approaching each other and when the two vehicles are separating from each other is closest to..

Homework Equations


doppler effect equation

The Attempt at a Solution


I know I must find the frequency at one point and subtract it from the other to find the difference, but in the doppler equation I never know when the velocity of the source/listener must be subtracted/added to the speed of sound
 
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RUphysics3 said:

Homework Statement


A motor scooter moving at 10 m/s approaches and passes a police car moving at 50 m/s in the opposite direction. The frequency of the siren on the police car is 700 hz when the car stands still. the difference in frequency heard by the driver of the scooter between when the two vehicles are approaching each other and when the two vehicles are separating from each other is closest to..

Homework Equations


Doppler effect equation

The Attempt at a Solution


I know I must find the frequency at one point and subtract it from the other to find the difference, but in the doppler equation I never know when the velocity of the source/listener must be subtracted/added to the speed of light.
I hope you mean "Speed of Sound" not of light.
 
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SammyS said:
I hope you mean "Speed of Sound" not of light.
i do indeed lol
 
RUphysics3 said:
I know I must find the frequency at one point and subtract it from the other to find the difference, but in the doppler equation I never know when the velocity of the source/listener must be subtracted/added to the speed of sound
You know that is always a matter of multiplying or dividing by 1+v/c or 1-v/c, where c is the speed of sound and v is one of the other velocities.
You also know that when the source is moving towards the receiver the frequency will increase, so for that case it must be either multiply by 1+v/c or divide by 1-v/c.
A simple thought experiment will tell you which. Suppose the source is moving at the speed of sound. What will happen to the wavefronts? What frequency will that seem like to the receiver when they meet?
 

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