Doppler Effect of a 1-kilohertz sound

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The discussion revolves around the Doppler Effect, specifically concerning a 1-kilohertz sound source moving toward the observer at a speed of 0.9 times the speed of sound. Participants are examining the frequency received by the observer and the application of relevant equations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are attempting to apply the Doppler Effect equations to determine the observed frequency. There are discussions about the correct sign for the relative velocity and the algebraic manipulation of the frequency equations. Some participants express uncertainty about the conventions used in the formulas.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants providing insights and questioning each other's reasoning. There is acknowledgment of potential misunderstandings regarding the application of formulas for moving sources versus moving listeners. Guidance has been offered regarding the signs used in the equations, but no consensus has been reached on the correct approach yet.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the problem may be derived from a GRE question, suggesting a level of complexity and the expectation of a straightforward solution. There is also mention of conventions in the formulas that may be causing confusion.

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Homework Statement


A source of 1-kilohertz sound is moving straight toward you at a speed .9 times the speed of sound. The frequency you receive is:


Homework Equations



\nu = \frac{v}{\lambda}

f' = \frac{v + v'}{v} f



The Attempt at a Solution



When I attempt the solution I get f' = \frac{v + .9v}{v} f = 1.9 f. However, that is not correct. The answer is 10 f. What am I missing?

Thx
 
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Your sign on the relative velocity probably. You could also work on the algebra that let you change f'=1.9*f into f=1.9*f'. That doesn't seem right either.
 
Well, the source is moving toward you. So the direction of the sound and the source should have the same sign. I don't know. I am missing something small I am sure, because this is a GRE question so it shouldn't take long to solve.
 
The formula I've got is f'=f*v/(v+vr). f' is observed frequency, f is emitted frequency. vr is radial component of source velocity. v is speed of sound. If it's moving towards you, you want an increase in frequency. That mean vr should be negative to make numerator larger than denominator.
 
Ok, thx. The formula I was using seems to be for a moving listener not a moving source.

I see how you justify making the vr negative. However it still seems odd since vr and v are going in the same direction, know what I mean?
 
v is the speed of sound. It's isn't going in any particular direction. vr is coming towards you. Apparently according to the conventions of that formula that makes vr negative.
 

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