Doppler Effect: Speed of Sound and Wind Question

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The discussion revolves around a problem related to the Doppler Effect, specifically focusing on the relationship between the speed of sound, the speed of an ambulance, and the speed of wind. Participants are exploring the implications of different options regarding the speed of sound in relation to the speeds involved.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants are examining the validity of three options regarding the speed of sound compared to the combined speeds of the ambulance and wind. There is a focus on understanding why the speed of sound must be greater than the sum of the ambulance's speed and wind speed in certain conditions.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided insights into the assumptions underlying the problem, particularly regarding the speed of sound and the conditions under which the ambulance operates. There is an ongoing exploration of the implications of the options presented, with no explicit consensus reached yet.

Contextual Notes

Participants are considering reasonable speed assumptions for both the ambulance and the wind, as well as the context of the problem as presented in a textbook, which may influence the expected answers.

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Hi, I've got a problem that I can't seem to find an explanation to, about the Doppler Effect

An ambulance is going down the road at a speed U meters/second, in the same direction as the wind, which has a speed of W meters/second. The speed of sound in air is c meters/second

Now, I have to choose one of three options:

1) always c>U+W
2) always c<U+W
3) neither (1) nor (2)

At first I thought that the correct answer was (3), because I couldn't think of a reason why there should be a restriction to the speed of sound in air.
The correct answer is (1) though, and I can't understand why.
Can someone please enlighten me?
Thanks for the help.
 
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I think the reason why it's 1 is because you're assuming that the ambulance isn't breaking the sound barrier. The speed of sound is a constant (it can change due to temperature but we'll assume it's a constant for this problem).

Also, considering the two other choices, either "c" is less than "U + W" which is obviously false or "c" is equal to "U + W" (assuming it's what is implied) which is also false.
 
Is there something conceptually wrong with option 2?
Let me see if I understand correctly. If the wind has a certain velocity, the resulting velocity of the sound wave is the constant velocity, 343m/s, plus the velocity of the wind. So, is there a reason why option 2 cannot occur?
 
I don't think that there is anything wrong with the concept of option 2. But for this problem, I think that they want you to assume reasonable speeds for both the ambulance and the wind.

For example, option 2 would be correct if the ambulance was going above Mach 1. But how reasonable is that?

I think it may have something to do with the book the problem came from. Maybe it typically assumes the ordinary.
 
Thanks for the explanation!
 

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