Doppler shift of a hydrogen line on sun

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The discussion revolves around the Doppler shift of a hydrogen line as observed from the Sun, specifically focusing on the calculation of wavelength changes due to the motion of the Sun's surface relative to the Earth.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are attempting to understand the calculation of wavelength shifts and the relationship between the observed and original wavelengths. Questions arise regarding the correct reference points for these calculations and the implications of the Doppler effect.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging in clarifying their understanding of the problem. Some have provided insights into the nature of the shifts and the factors affecting the calculations, while others are questioning their assumptions and interpretations of the problem setup.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted confusion regarding the radius of the Sun versus the Earth, and the original wavelength of the spectral line is mentioned as a key factor in the calculations. The discussion reflects a mix of correct and incorrect assumptions about the Doppler effect and its application in this context.

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Homework Statement


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delta lambda/lambda = velocity/speed of light

radius of the sun= 696 *10^6m

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Hello,
the solution states the correct answer for this problem is 5.8*10^-12m. This is exactly 2x my answer but i don't really know what i did wrong. There is also a possibility that the solution is wrong because there are quite a few cases in which it is wrong so i can't be 100% sure.
So i hope someone can tell me where i messed up. Thanks for every answer.
 

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Krashy said:
radius of Earth = 696 *10^6m
You mean the radius of the Sun.

Krashy said:
This is exactly 2x my answer but i don't really know what i did wrong.
What is your ##\Delta \lambda## the wavelength difference between? Is this the wavelength difference you are interested in?
 
Oh yeah sorry i meant the radius of the sun. I am searching for the change in wavelength i think and so the shift between blue and red should be 2.9*10^-12m, right?
 
Krashy said:
I am searching for the change in wavelength i think and so the shift between blue and red should be 2.9*10^-12m, right?
No, think a bit about what you are computing the wavelength shift relative to. What is the original wavelength the wavelength of and what is the shifted wavelength the wavelength of?
 
I don't think i really get it. As the sides of the sun move away and towards the earth, the spectral line splits into two, right? So the "real" wavelength is 434nm and the shift towards either side should be +/- 2.9*10^-12m, because the doppler shifts are the same only in opposite directions, or is that wrong?
 
Krashy said:
As the sides of the sun move away and towards the earth, the spectral line splits into two, right? So the "real" wavelength is 434nm and the shift towards either side should be +/- 2.9*10^-12m, because the doppler shifts are the same only in opposite directions, or is that wrong?
No, that is correct. So what is the difference between the wavelengths at the edges in opposite directions? (Which is what the problem is asking for.)
 
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All right i think i understand now. The change in wavelength from one side to the middle, so to the "real" wavelength is 2.9*10^-12m. Thus the shift from one side to the other side is 2x that value: 2 * 2.9*10^-12m = 5.8 *10^-12m. This should be correct now, right? Thank you very much for the clarification.
 
Yes, you are being asked to find the difference between the wavelengths at the edges, not that between the edge and the middle (which is what you computed). Since the speeds are low enough to use the approximation you applied, the difference is a factor of two larger than what you computed.
 
I see, next time i will pay more attention to this. Thanks again.
 

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