Dot products and angle between cables

In summary, the conversation is about determining the angle θ between two cables attached to a post for an engineering class. The equations and attempt at a solution are given, where F1 and F2 are calculated using angles and components. However, there was a mistake in the calculation of F1 dot F2, resulting in an incorrect angle. After correcting the mistake, the correct answer of 97.3° was obtained.
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Homework Statement


This is actually for an engineering class, but it's pretty basic vector addition.

Determine the angle θ between the two cables attached to the post.

I've attached the picture.


Homework Equations



The Attempt at a Solution



From the picture:
F1:
α=?
β=?
γ= 35°

F2:
α= 45°
β= 60°
γ= 120°

First, to find F2, I used the angles and the formula cos(α)=(F2x/F2)

F2=<282.84,200,-200>

To find F1, I used the 35° from the vertical to find the z component, then used the 20° in the xy plane to find the x and y components.

F1=<215.59,-78.47,327.66>


F1·F2=F1F2cosθ

θ=cos-1(F1·F2/4002)
=cos-1(-600.84/4002)=90.2°


According to the back of the book, the answer is 97.3°. So, I've made a mistake somewhere. Any help finding it would be greatly appreciated.
 

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There's something funny going on with your angle calculation. Check your value for F1 dot F2. It should be in the neighborhood of -20,000 N2.
 
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You're right. It was actually -20249 N^2. Thank you!
 

1. What is a dot product and how is it calculated?

A dot product, also known as a scalar product, is a mathematical operation between two vectors that results in a scalar quantity. It is calculated by taking the product of the magnitudes of the two vectors and the cosine of the angle between them.

2. How is the angle between two cables determined using dot products?

The angle between two cables can be determined by taking the inverse cosine of the dot product of the two cable vectors, divided by the product of their magnitudes. This formula, known as the dot product formula, gives the angle between the cables in radians.

3. Can the dot product be negative?

Yes, the dot product can be negative. It is negative when the angle between the two vectors is greater than 90 degrees and positive when the angle is less than 90 degrees.

4. How is the dot product used in real-world applications?

The dot product is used in various real-world applications, such as calculating work done by a force, finding the projection of one vector onto another, and determining the angle between two objects. In the context of cables, the dot product can be used to analyze the forces acting on a cable system.

5. How does the dot product relate to the angle between cables in a suspension bridge?

In a suspension bridge, the dot product is used to determine the tension in the cables supporting the bridge deck. The angle between the cables affects the magnitude of the tension and can be adjusted to optimize the stability and strength of the bridge.

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