Double Integral of Pythagoras over rectangular region

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The discussion revolves around calculating the average length of a line drawn from a point on the perimeter of a rectangle to another point on one of the remaining sides. This involves evaluating a double integral of the form ∫_0^A ∫_0^B &sqrt;x^2 + y^2 dy dx, which presents challenges due to the rectangular boundaries.

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Main Points Raised

  • Chris proposes the integral ∫_0^A ∫_0^B &sqrt{x^2 + y^2} dy dx to find the average length of the line from a perimeter point to another point on the rectangle.
  • One participant suggests using a trigonometric substitution, specifically y = x tan(θ), to simplify the integral, leading to a new form involving sec(θ).
  • Another participant mentions that polar coordinates can be applied, recommending splitting the region into two parts for integration.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about the simplification of the integral and acknowledge that the process may become complicated.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants have not reached a consensus on the best approach to solve the integral, with multiple methods proposed and some expressing uncertainty about their effectiveness.

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There are unresolved mathematical steps and potential complications in the integration process that have not been fully addressed by participants.

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Take any given point on the perimeter of a (A x B) rectange and then draw a line from that point to another point on one of the three remaining sides of the rectangle. What is the average length of the line?
Well, the answer to that question involves integrals like this:

\int_0^A \int_0^B \sqrt{x^2 + y^2} dy dx

This thing gets a bit interesting given that it's basically a polar type integral but with rectangular boundaries. Any ideas?

Thanks!

Chris
 
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That looks like a fairly standard "trig substitution" integral. To integrate with respect to y initially, let y= x tan(\theta) so that \sqrt{x^2+ y^2}= \sqrt{x^2+ x^2tan^2(\theta)}= x\sqrt{1+ tan^2(\theta)}= x sec(\theta) while dy= x sec^2(\theta)d\theta. The first integral becomes \int_0^{arctan(B/x)} (x sec(\theta))(x sec^2(\theta)= x^2\int_0^{arctan(B/x)} sec^3(\theta)d\theta
 
ctchervenkov said:
Take any given point on the perimeter of a (A x B) rectange and then draw a line from that point to another point on one of the three remaining sides of the rectangle. What is the average length of the line?
Well, the answer to that question involves integrals like this:

\int_0^A \int_0^B \sqrt{x^2 + y^2} dy dx

This thing gets a bit interesting given that it's basically a polar type integral but with rectangular boundaries. Any ideas?

Thanks!

Chris

Hi ctchervenkov! Welcome to PF!

Polar works here. You will need to split the region into two.
$$\int_0^{\tan^{-1}\frac{B}{A}} \int_0^{\frac{A}{\cos\theta}} r^2\,dr\,d\theta+\int_{\tan^{-1}\frac{B}{A}}^{\pi/2} \int_{0}^{\frac{B}{\sin\theta}} r^2\,dr\,d\theta$$
Not sure if this can be simplified further.
 
to Pranav-Arora: I had tried that, but the things got a bit ugly...

to HallsofIvy: Had not tried that particular substitution I don't think. Thanks. Will see if that simplifies things...
 

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