Double slit with time measurement

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a proposed measurement involving a double-slit experiment with time measurement, focusing on the implications of path lengths and coherence time on interference patterns in quantum mechanics. Participants explore the theoretical underpinnings and potential outcomes of this setup, including references to Feynman's path integral formulation.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes a measurement involving asymmetrical paths (1 m and 10 m) and suggests that measuring the time between detectors could reveal which path a photon took, potentially leading to interference according to Feynman rules.
  • Another participant raises the uncertainty principle, suggesting that a small time difference to distinguish paths would lead to a large energy spread, potentially eliminating the interference pattern.
  • A participant argues that the setup resembles a Mach-Zehnder interferometer and emphasizes the importance of coherence time for achieving interference, noting that coherence time for single photons is typically short.
  • Concerns are raised regarding the coherence time and its impact on interference, with one participant stating that if coherence time is less than 1 ps, interference may not occur if the path difference exceeds a certain threshold.
  • Another participant discusses the concept of indistinguishability of photons within coherence volumes and how this affects interference patterns, emphasizing that probability amplitudes add only for indistinguishable pathways.
  • One participant questions the interpretation of coherence time and discusses the presence of spherical probability waves in the context of photon detection, arguing that interference occurs due to phase differences from path length variations.
  • Further clarification is sought on the assumptions regarding continuous wave versus pulsed light, with participants debating the implications of these different setups on interference outcomes.
  • Participants express differing views on the necessity of both probability amplitudes being non-zero at the same time for interference to occur, with some emphasizing the role of time dependence in Feynman's formulation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the relationship between path lengths, coherence time, and interference patterns. The discussion remains unresolved, with no consensus reached on the implications of the proposed measurement.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on coherence time, assumptions about the nature of light (continuous wave vs. pulsed), and the unresolved mathematical steps regarding the conditions necessary for interference to occur.

  • #61
DParlevliet said:
The experiment above is about the same as a double slit.

No, it is clearly not. A double slit measures spatial coherence. A Mach-Zehnder interferometer measures temporal coherence. These are two different quantities which are not "about the same".

DParlevliet said:
A spatial detector which can show waves.

And what is that supposed to be? I do not think this thread is going anywhere and you do not seem to be willing to understand the things in detail or read up on them, so I am afraid this is getting pointless.
 
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  • #62
Cthugha said:
No, it is clearly not. A double slit measures spatial coherence. A Mach-Zehnder interferometer measures temporal coherence. These are two different quantities which are not "about the same".
If a single photon from the sun goes through a double slit, then the coherence time of each wave, going through each slit, is in the femtosecond range?
 
  • #63
It does not matter what you do to it. Unless you filter the light spectrally, you always get a coherence time of maybe 100 femtoseconds or something like that for light from the sun.

Whether you will see an interference pattern or not still depends on spatial coherence, though. So for example it matters strongly, whether you place a pinhole to filter the light.
 
  • #64
Cthugha said:
It does not matter what you do to it. Unless you filter the light spectrally, you always get a coherence time of maybe 100 femtoseconds or something like that for light from the sun.

Whether you will see an interference pattern or not still depends on spatial coherence, though. So for example it matters strongly, whether you place a pinhole to filter the light.

I would give up, the fact you haven't though strongly indicates your patience, so kudos. :smile:
 
  • #65
DParlevliet said:
If a single photon from the sun goes through a double slit, then the coherence time of each wave, going through each slit, is in the femtosecond range?

It's in the Planck range actually but meh...
 
  • #66
Cthugha said:
It does not matter what you do to it. Unless you filter the light spectrally, you always get a coherence time of maybe 100 femtoseconds or something like that for light from the sun.
Of course a spectral filter is needed because one needs monochromatic light. It must be as much as possible be comparable with single photons, so not broad bandwith. Does that matter much?
 
  • #67
DParlevliet said:
Of course a spectral filter is needed because one needs monochromatic light. It must be as much as possible be comparable with single photons, so not broad bandwith. Does that matter much?

Eh? Single photons are Fock states with a fixed photon number of 1. That is all there is. They do not have to be monochromatic. They often are far from that in reality. Sorry, but Bone234 seems to be right. This discussion seems entirely pointless.
 
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