Doubt about NMOS Transistor in Microcap: Varunag

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of an NMOS transistor in Microcap, particularly focusing on the unexpected occurrence of negative current when varying the body-source voltage (V_{BS}). Participants explore the implications of biasing and the limitations of the simulation software in modeling the transistor's behavior under certain conditions.

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Main Points Raised

  • Varunag describes a scenario where increasing V_{BS} leads to negative current, questioning the physical feasibility of this outcome.
  • One participant suggests that the MOSFET can conduct in either direction depending on bias, indicating a lack of clarity about the circuit configuration.
  • Varunag identifies that applying a positive voltage to the body may reverse bias the body-source and body-drain junctions, altering the transistor's operation.
  • Another participant notes that not all MOSFETs are four-terminal devices and expresses confusion about the term "negative current."
  • There is a mention that the first-order model in Microcap may be inadequate for this scenario, suggesting the need for higher models to accurately simulate the body effect.
  • Further discussion indicates uncertainty about whether Microcap can effectively simulate circuits considering the body effect.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of body biasing in NMOS transistors and the adequacy of Microcap for such simulations. There is no consensus on the interpretation of "negative current" or the correct modeling approach.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include potential misunderstandings about the circuit configuration, the definitions of current flow in MOSFETs, and the assumptions regarding the simulation model's capabilities.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals interested in semiconductor physics, circuit design, and simulation software, particularly those working with NMOS transistors and exploring the effects of body biasing.

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I was making a model of a NMOS transistor in Microcap. It was part of an assignment. I was supposed to make graph with changing value of V_{BS}. But after a certain value of V_{BS}, I got negative current. It came to my mind it is not possible. But, I couldn't think of a reason instantly, as to why current can't flow in the opposite direction.
Here V_D = 2.5V, V_G = 1.5V, source is grounded and V_B = 4V. I hope that a reasoning could be given without other parameters of the transistor, yet if other parameters are required I would give them.

I myself will look about this and share it with everyone.

-varunag
 
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It's fairly unclear what your test circuit looks like, but, yeah, a MOSFET will conduct equally well between drain and source, in either direction--according to bias.
 
I found the problem with the design. When we give positive supply to the body, we are making the body-source junction reverse bias.(I have not mentioned in my query that source is grounded, but I suppose that could be expected by the way I had given the values)
And on further increasing the body voltage, we make the body-drain junction reverse bias as well. Making these junctions reverse bias, we are changing the way the transistor works. I could only figure out this.

I hope someone could give a reason more suitable.

-varunag
 
Not all mosfets are four terminal. Most commercial decretes are three terminal.
I don't know what "negative current" means.
 
Phrak said:
Not all mosfets are four terminal. Most commercial decretes are three terminal.
I don't know what "negative current" means.

Well we know 4 terminal mosfets. And we usually short the body with the source. only this time we tried to give some voltage to the body, to check the theoretical relations we have. It seems the first order model used by "Microcap" software, is inadequate to deal with this, and we need to check with higher models.
 
varunag said:
Well we know 4 terminal mosfets. And we usually short the body with the source. only this time we tried to give some voltage to the body, to check the theoretical relations we have. It seems the first order model used by "Microcap" software, is inadequate to deal with this, and we need to check with higher models.

Not if MicroCap can be used for a circuit simulation with body effect considered. And that is described very briefly here: http://www.zenex.fi/microcap/files/9rm.pdf , on page 484. So there's probably a small glitch with your model.
 
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