Mosfet equation: how to get it?

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The discussion revolves around the analysis of a circuit involving a MOSFET, specifically focusing on the derivation of the dependence of the drain current on the threshold voltage. Participants are examining the mathematical steps involved in differentiating an equation related to the MOSFET's operation in saturation.

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  • Homework-related
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents equations related to the MOSFET circuit and expresses confusion about the differentiation process to find the dependence of the drain current on the threshold voltage.
  • Another participant suggests differentiating the right-hand side of the equation as indicated, prompting further exploration of the derivative.
  • A different participant provides an alternative expression for the derivative, indicating a potential misunderstanding in the differentiation process.
  • Several participants remind others about the chain rule and its application in differentiation, emphasizing the need to consider all variables involved.
  • One participant realizes their mistake in assuming the drain current was constant during differentiation, acknowledging the error and thanking others for their input.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the differentiation process initially, with some expressing confusion and others providing guidance. The discussion reflects multiple viewpoints on how to approach the differentiation, indicating that the topic remains somewhat unresolved.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about the constancy of the drain current during differentiation, as well as the application of the chain rule. The participants do not fully resolve these mathematical steps.

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Homework Statement


I'm studying the following circuit with a MOSFET

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3. The Attempt at a Solution [/B]
Now for analyzing this circuit my book came out with various equations (which I totally understand and have no doubts about it).
Because the gate current is zero we have

$$V_G=V_{DD} \frac{R_2}{R_1+R_2}$$

Assuming the MOSFET is working on saturation we also have

$$I_D=k(V_{GS}-V_t)^2$$

And applying KVL:

$$V_{GS}=V_G-R_SI_D$$

Substituting equation (3) on equation (2) we have

$$I_D=k(V_G-R_SI_D -V_t)^2$$Now comes to the point I'm not understanding. To show us the dependence of the drain current over the threshold voltage, the book takes the derivative of the expression:

$$\frac{dI_D}{dV_t}=\frac{d}{dV_t}k(V_G-R_SI_D -V_t)^2$$

and then it writes

$$\frac{dI_D}{dV_t}=\frac{-2\sqrt{kI_D}}{1+2R_S\sqrt{kI_D}}$$

How on Earth did they go from equation (5) to equation (6) by taking the derivative. What kind of substitution are they making?
 
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Did you try differentiating as indicated for the right hand side of your second-last equation? What do you get?
 
NascentOxygen said:
Did you try differentiating as indicated for the right hand side of your second-last equation? What do you get?

I get
$$-2k(V_G - R_SI_D-V_t)$$
 
Reminder: the chain rule says dy/dx =dy/dz * dz/dx

You have written the equivalent of dy/dz, and now need to multiply by the equivalent of dz/dx
 
NascentOxygen said:
Reminder: the chain rule says dy/dx =dy/dz * dz/dx

You have written the equivalent of dy/dz, and now need to multiply by the equivalent of dz/dx

What do you mean? Why using the chain rule here? I'm supposed to take the derivative of I_D in relation to V_t and that's exactly what I'm taking.
 
If you aren't confident in use of the chain rule, you can instead expand the squared term, i.e., get rid of the brackets on the right hand side, before attempting the differentiation. (This is a good way to check that you are going about it correctly, because obviously both methods should give identical answers.)
 
NascentOxygen said:
If you aren't confident in use of the chain rule, you can instead expand the squared term, i.e., get rid of the brackets on the right hand side, before attempting the differentiation. (This is a good way to check that you are going about it correctly, because obviously both methods should give identical answers.)

Oh I got what I was doing wrong!
I was assuming the current I_D was constant when taking the derivative which is obviously wrong. Thanks!
 

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