Doubt in electromagnetic induction

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The discussion revolves around electromagnetic induction, specifically regarding the behavior of a coil placed in a changing magnetic field when the circuit is not closed. Participants explore whether current can be induced in such a scenario and the implications of induced electromotive force (EMF) without a complete circuit.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the conditions under which current can flow in an open circuit and the role of potential difference. Questions are raised about the significance of induced current and its detectability by instruments like galvanometers.

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The conversation includes attempts to clarify concepts related to induced EMF and the behavior of charges in an open circuit. Some participants provide insights into the relationship between charge, potential, and the conditions necessary for significant current flow, while others seek further elaboration on these points.

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There is an emphasis on the limitations of measuring small currents and the conditions under which electrostatic equilibrium occurs in conductors. The discussion also touches on the practical implications of these concepts in everyday electrical systems.

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Homework Statement


suppose a coil is placed in a changing magnetic field and the circuit is not closed will the current induce in the coil

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What I thought was that the current flows only in a closed circuit because it needs a potential difference (through a cell) which would require a closed path, but as there is no need of a cell to create potential difference in this case, the current should flow in the open circuit. But I checked the solution and it says that a potential difference will be induced but still no current would flow.
 
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You did get an EMF from the changing magnetic field. If you don't have a closed loop, current will only flow very instantaneously, and in general, only a very minute amount. An electrostatic charge will build up from this minute current flow that creates a potential that balances the EMF. It only takes a very small amount of charge to get a considerable potential for wires and most other objects. Only in the case of a very large capacitor would the flow of current be very significant, e.g. (capacitor plates at opposite sides of the wire and connected to the wire), and even then it would be minimal except with an extremely large capacitor. In general, you need a closed loop to get significant currents.
 
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Thank you for your answer and sorry for replying late.

I didn't understand this statement of yours completely, can you please elaborate?
Charles Link said:
It only takes a very small amount of charge to get a considerable potential for wires and most other objects

Also would this current be significant enough to be detected by a galvanometer?
Charles Link said:
If you don't have a closed loop, current will only flow very instantaneously, and in general, only a very minute amount.
 
Approximate calculations can be done using voltages, and if you take a small conductive sphere, ## V=\frac{Q}{4 \pi \epsilon_o r} ## . If ## r=1.0 ## E-3 m (1 mm), you can see for a very small ## Q ## you can get a large ## V ##. ## \\ ## The actual equilibrium in the conductor occurs when the electric field is zero everywhere, i.e. when the electrostatic electric field is equal and opposite the induced electric field, whose integral is the EMF. Basically you can balance the EMF with the potential of the electrostatic part of the electric field, (the voltage (potential) is the integral of the electrostatic field), for approximate results. It is because so little charge is necessary to establish these voltages that our households don't use any significant electricity when nothing is plugged into the outlets. ## \\ ## There may be galvanometers that can measure small amounts of charges like you are referring to, but a standard volt-ohm meter could not measure them.
 
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Charles Link said:
Approximate calculations can be done using voltages, and if you take a small conductive sphere, ## V=\frac{Q}{4 \pi \epsilon_o r} ## . If ## r=1.0 ## E-3 m (1 mm), you can see for a very small ## Q ## you can get a large ## V ##. ## \\ ## The actual equilibrium in the conductor occurs when the electric field is zero everywhere, i.e. when the electrostatic electric field is equal and opposite the induced electric field, whose integral is the EMF. Basically you can balance the EMF with the potential of the electrostatic part of the electric field, (the voltage (potential) is the integral of the electrostatic field), for approximate results. It is because so little charge is necessary to establish these voltages that our households don't use any significant electricity when nothing is plugged into the outlets. ## \\ ## There may be galvanometers that can measure small amounts of charges like you are referring to, but a standard volt-ohm meter could not measure them.

Thank you, I think I got it!
 
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