Draining batteries into fewer batteries

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The discussion revolves around the efficiency and practicality of transferring energy from partially depleted batteries to rechargeable batteries, as well as the broader implications of battery waste and recycling. Participants explore various strategies for utilizing low-energy batteries in electronic devices and the potential complexities involved in such efforts.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that different electronics may stop functioning at varying levels of battery energy storage.
  • There is a suggestion that transferring energy from multiple spent batteries to rechargeable ones might not be efficient enough to justify the effort.
  • Alternatives include using high-current devices first and then low-current devices, or connecting several spent batteries in parallel to power a device.
  • One participant argues that the effort to avoid waste might be a false economy, suggesting that recycling is a more efficient approach.
  • Concerns are raised about the potential hazards of leaving dead batteries in devices due to leakage.
  • Some participants mention "joule thief" circuits as a method to utilize nearly dead batteries for low-power applications, although their effectiveness is debated.
  • There is a discussion about the relevance of using low-current devices that often require specific battery types, which may complicate the high/low current strategy.
  • One participant emphasizes that the focus should be on recycling rather than attempting to extract minimal savings from spent batteries.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the practicality of transferring energy from spent batteries and the value of recycling versus attempting to use low-energy batteries. There is no consensus on the best approach to managing battery waste and energy transfer.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight the complexities and potential inefficiencies of various strategies, as well as the importance of considering the economic implications of time and effort spent on battery management.

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TL;DR
Condensing battery supply.
Am I safe in assuming that different electronics will stop working at different levels of remaining energy storage in a battery? Assuming a person has many batteries with a little juice left, but not enough to work most electronics can it be transfered efficiently to rechargeable batteries with the right setup? I want to avoid waste before throwing anything out.
 
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LightningInAJar said:
Am I safe in assuming that different electronics will stop working at different levels of remaining energy storage in a battery?
Yes
LightningInAJar said:
Assuming a person has many batteries with a little juice left, but not enough to work most electronics can it be transfered efficiently to rechargeable batteries with the right setup?
That may not be efficient enough to be worth anything.
An alternative strategy would be to use the batteries with high-current devices first. Once they are "spent", try them on a low-current device.
Another alternative would be to set up several spent batteries in parallel and use that combination to power something.
LightningInAJar said:
I want to avoid waste before throwing anything out.
If a non-rechargeable battery is too spent for a low-current circuit, it is time to throw it out.
 
LightningInAJar said:
I want to avoid waste before throwing anything out.
Unless you are in penury, with a lot of spare time, I believe that may be a false economy, that makes life unnecessarily more complex.

The failure of a battery can be more expensive than the possible savings. Put the effort into recycling all things more efficiently.
 
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.Scott said:
If a non-rechargeable battery is too spent for a low-current circuit, it is time to throw it out recycle it.
Fixed that for you. :wink:
 
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Baluncore said:
Unless you are in penury, with a lot of spare time, I believe that may be a false economy, that makes life unnecessarily more complex.
TIL the word "penury".

In 60+ years it has never crossed my path. And I have a pretty broad vocabulary.
 
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DaveC426913 said:
In 60+ years it has never crossed my path. And I have a pretty broad vocabulary.
Up until now, your reading of the works of Charles Dickens, has clearly been insufficient. Social welfare has largely ended penury, extreme poverty, and destitution, in civilised countries today.
 
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Baluncore said:
Up until now, your reading of the works of Charles Dickens, has clearly been insufficient.
Ah. That would do it.
 
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Baluncore said:
Unless you are in penury, with a lot of spare time, I believe that may be a false economy, that makes life unnecessarily more complex.
This admonition notwothstanding, there are a host of strange "near boost converter" ideas that I have always known as "joule thie-
f" circuits to enablenearly dead batteries to light LEDs. I do not think these will make the deserts bloom.
 
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The high-current/low-current strategy is seldom worth implementing because low-current device maker often use those coin-like batteries (cr2032's). But it is a good idea to promptly remove a battery once it is "dead" - simply because dead batteries eventually leak.

There is a similar situation where the high/low strategy does work for me. Once a propane tank is too empty for use with a BBQ grill, it can be switched over to one of those propane-driven mosquito-killers.
 
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hutchphd said:
, there are a host of strange "near boost converter" ideas that I have always known as "joule thierf" circuits to enablenearly dead batteries to light LEDs.
They do have a significant use in low power loads (garden decorative lights etc.) where the PV cells produce a voltage that's lower than the LEDs require.That's not so much a fault situation - just good, economic design. A bit like using a transformer with AC to match the source volts to the volts needed for the load. Hey-ho for modern electronic devices.
 
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DaveC426913 said:
TIL the word "penury".

In 60+ years it has never crossed my path. And I have a pretty broad vocabulary.
I had to look up TIL.
 
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DaveC426913 said:
In 60+ years it has never crossed my path. And I have a pretty broad vocabulary.
But not a big Dickens fan, I would surmise.
 
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hutchphd said:
But not a big Dickens fan, I would surmise.
See post 6,7. :wink:
 
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LightningInAJar said:
TL;DR Summary: Condensing battery supply.

Am I safe in assuming that different electronics will stop working at different levels of remaining energy storage in a battery? Assuming a person has many batteries with a little juice left, but not enough to work most electronics can it be transfered efficiently to rechargeable batteries with the right setup? I want to avoid waste before throwing anything out.
Wrong focus I think.
Focus should be on recycling not wasting time and money on inmaterial "savings".
The collar is worth more than the dog...
 

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