Drawbacks of Rutherford's conclusions

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The discussion centers around the drawbacks of Rutherford's atomic model, particularly focusing on the implications of electrons moving in orbits and the associated acceleration due to changing velocity vectors. Participants explore the nature of acceleration in circular motion and draw parallels between atomic and planetary motion, questioning the charge of planets.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that objects moving in circular orbits experience acceleration due to the continuous change in the direction of the velocity vector.
  • Others argue that the term "leads" should be replaced with "corresponds to" when discussing the relationship between changing velocity and acceleration, emphasizing the need for a force to effect this change.
  • A participant questions why planets, which move in elliptical orbits around the sun, do not emit electromagnetic radiation like electrons, suggesting that the charge of planets may be too small to be significant.
  • Another participant expresses doubt about the assertion that planets are not charged, proposing that the charges may exist but are negligible compared to their mass.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the terminology used to describe the relationship between velocity changes and acceleration. There is also a lack of consensus regarding the charge of planets and its implications for their motion compared to electrons.

Contextual Notes

Participants do not fully resolve the implications of charge/mass ratios or the significance of electromagnetic radiation in the context of planetary motion versus atomic behavior.

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Rutherford proposed that electrons moved in orbits around the atom.It had a drawback.It was said that "objects which move in a circular orbit will experience acceleration despite it's constant speed" Why is it like that ? Is there any reason for such an acceleration ?
 
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The velocity vector is continuously changing direction. That corresponds to acceleration (you can see it in terms of the components of the velocity vector, which are continuously changing).
 
DrClaude said:
The velocity vector is continuously changing direction. That corresponds to acceleration (you can see it in terms of the components of the velocity vector, which are continuously changing).
Correct me if I am wrong.Velocity with continuous change in direction leads to acceleration.
 
Docscientist said:
Correct me if I am wrong.Velocity with continuous change in direction leads to acceleration.
I don't like the use of "leads". It is not a causal relationship. I would use "corresponds to". You need to apply a force to change the direction, hence there is an acceleration.
 
DrClaude said:
I don't like the use of "leads". It is not a causal relationship. I would use "corresponds to". You need to apply a force to change the direction, hence there is an acceleration.
Just one more silly question.Planets do move around the sun in an elliptical orbit just as how electron moves around an atom.But planets do not show any electromagnetic radiation as they are not charged just as how an electron does if it was to move in an orbit.The question is why aren't planets charged ?
 
Docscientist said:
why aren't planets charged ?

I doubt they aren't. But the charges are way too small for being important (it is charge/mass ratio that matters).
 

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