Photoelectric Effect questions to help my understanding

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The discussion centers around the photoelectric effect, specifically addressing questions about the behavior of current in relation to voltage changes and the modifications made by Bohr to the Rutherford model regarding atomic stability and electron behavior. The scope includes conceptual understanding and technical explanations related to these phenomena.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why increasing the voltage can stop the current between two plates in a photoelectric setup.
  • Another participant explains that increasing the reverse-bias voltage repels electrons, preventing even the most energetic electrons from reaching the collector plate, thus resulting in zero current.
  • A further elaboration indicates that the stopping potential indicates the threshold energy for photoemission, and that the production of photoelectrons is not affected by the voltage applied.
  • There is a discussion on Bohr's modifications to the Rutherford model, suggesting that Bohr introduced fixed orbits for electrons to explain atomic stability and the emission of radiation only during transitions between these orbits.
  • Some participants express confusion about the interaction between photon energy and electron binding, noting that not all photons of threshold energy lead to photoemission.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the technical aspects of how reverse-bias voltage affects current and the basic principles of Bohr's modifications. However, there are nuances in understanding the implications of photon energy and electron behavior that remain less clear, indicating some unresolved points of confusion.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the behavior of electrons in the presence of electric fields and the interaction of photons with electrons are not fully explored, leaving room for further clarification and exploration of these concepts.

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Homework Statement:: This isn't homework, I didn't know exactly where to post my question so I thought it would be safest to post here.
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My questions are as follows:

1. When the voltage is increased to a certain value the current between the two plates(emitter plate) is reduced to zero. Can someone explain to me why increasing the voltage can stop the current?

2. How did Bohr modify the Rutherford model to explain the stability of hydrogen and its spectrum.?

I was thinking it was because... The motion of the electrons in the Rutherfords model was unstable because, according to classical mechanics and electromagnetic theory, any charged particle moving on a curved path emits electromagnetic radiation; thus, the electrons would lose energy and spiral into the nucleus.

So to remedy the stability problem, Bohr modified the Rutherford model by requiring that the electrons move in orbits of fixed size and energy. The energy of an electron depends on the size of the orbit and is lower for smaller orbits. Radiation can occur only when the electron jumps from one orbit to another. The atom will be completely stable in the state with the smallest orbit, since there is no orbit of lower energy into which the electron can jump.?
 
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Jeff97 said:
This isn't homework, I didn't know exactly where to post my question so I thought it would be safest to post here.
Thank you for defaulting to the Homework Help forums when you are not sure. But since these are general questions about the photoelectric effect, your thread has been moved to the technical forums.

I'm guessing that @ZapperZ will be able to help you with some intuition on this subject... :smile:
 
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Jeff97 said:
Homework Statement:: This isn't homework, I didn't know exactly where to post my question so I thought it would be safest to post here.
Relevant Equations:: N/a

My questions are as follows:

1. When the voltage is increased to a certain value the current between the two plates(emitter plate) is reduced to zero. Can someone explain to me why increasing the voltage can stop the current?

This is a reverse-bias voltage, meaning the opposite plate has a lower potential than the photocathode (where the electrons came out of). As you increase the reverse bias, more and more electrons are being repelled away until at some point, even the most energetic electrons cannot reach that plate. So you get no current.

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ZapperZ said:
This is a reverse-bias voltage, meaning the opposite plate has a lower potential than the photocathode (where the electrons came out of).
To make that possibly more understandable, if the the 'collector' plate is sufficiently negative potential then the KE of the photoelectrons will not be sufficient to reach it; they will be repelled. That stopping potential tells you the threshold energy for photoemission.

It doesn't affect the actual production of the photoelectrons so forget about the atom / photon interaction - electrons will always be produced. An isolated photocathode will build up its own positive charge till electrons form a cloud outside it ('space charge'), each one falling back onto the surface as new electrons are kicked off. Net charge is zero until you provide an external path with another electrode with a positive potential or a negative potential, of insufficient magnitude to repel photoelectrons.

The threshold photon energy is where photo emission 'just' starts. Many photons of that energy will just be absorbed as they meet more tightly bound electrons. That used to confuse me when I first came across this topic so it may not be obvious to people.
 
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