Driven Damped Oscillator problem

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The discussion revolves around a driven damped oscillator problem, focusing on the relationship between instantaneous damping power and instantaneous drive power in a system characterized by a damping constant, mass, and spring constant.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the relationship between the forces acting on the system and the powers involved, with attempts to derive conditions under which the instantaneous powers balance. Questions arise regarding the definitions of total force and its relation to power dissipation and supply.

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There is ongoing exploration of the mathematical relationships involved, with some participants offering insights into complex number representations and cancellations. However, no consensus has been reached on the interpretation of terms or the specific values of ω being sought.

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Participants note potential ambiguities in the problem statement, particularly regarding the definitions of total force and the role of phase terms in the equations. There is also mention of constraints related to the information provided in the original problem.

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Homework Statement


Given damping constant b, mass m spring constant k,
in a damped driven oscillation system the average power introduced into the system equals the average power drained out of the system by the damping force, for what values of ω does the instantanious damping power = instantaneous drive power

Homework Equations


Total power of system =(-kx - b v(t)+ F0Cos(ωt))v(t)
x(t)= A cos(wt + (phi))

The Attempt at a Solution


Edit: just tried again, I subbed in ma for F and the Still Stuck with amplitudes on one side, and stuck with phi's
 
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It would help if you showed your actual calculations.
 
x(t) = Acos(\omegat+\phi)=Aei(\omegat +\phi

Force of Driver = -mA\omega2 ei\omegat

Total force = -kx-bv+ma
total force * x'(t)=x'(t)*(-kx-bv+ma)
divide by m
\frac{b}{m}=\gamma

\frac{k}{m}=\omega02

\omega02Aei(\omegat +\phi)-A\gammai\omegaei(\omegat +\phi)-A\omega2ei(\omega
I think the question is asking for what nonzero ω values is the total instantanious power 0
which means

\omega02Aei(\omegat +\phi)-A\gammai\omegaei(\omegat +\phi)-A\omega2ei(\omegat =0

Cancel Like Terms

\omega02ei(\omegat +\phi)-\gammai\omegaei(\omegat +\phi)-\omega2ei(\omegat) =0

if there was a phi in the force term I could cancel all the e's but according to my book there is no phi term, and phi is not a given so I am stuck
 
Remember that e^{i(\omega t + \phi)} = e^{i\omega t + i\phi)} = e^{i\omega t} e^{i\phi}.

Then you can cancel the e^{i\omega t}. I'm not sure if this helps too much, but you could also use the vector representation of complex numbers to find \phi?
 
I'm not sure what exactly you mean by "total force." I'd take that to mean "net force" which should be equal to ma. And how is it supposed to be related to the power dissipated by the damping force and the power supplied by the driving force?
 

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