During a solar eclipse calculate forces.etc

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The discussion revolves around calculating gravitational forces during a solar eclipse, where the moon is positioned between the Earth and the sun. Participants are tasked with determining the forces exerted on the moon by the sun and Earth, as well as the force exerted on Earth by the sun.

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  • Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the gravitational force equation and discuss the significance of the distance used in calculations. There is confusion regarding the correct application of the formula, particularly concerning the units of the gravitational constant and the distance between celestial bodies.

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Some participants have provided clarifications regarding the gravitational constant's units and the correct application of the gravitational force formula. There is ongoing exploration of the correct approach to the calculations, with no explicit consensus reached on the resolution of the problem.

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Participants express uncertainty about the units of the gravitational constant and the implications of mixing different units in their calculations. There is also mention of a lack of clarity in instruction from the original poster's teacher regarding these concepts.

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During a solar eclipse...calculate forces...etc

Homework Statement



During a solar eclipse, the moon, Earth, and sun lie on the same line, with the moon between Earth and the sun.
(a) What force is exerted on the moon by the sun?
__________N
(b) What force is exerted on the moon by Earth?
__________N
(c) What force is exerted on Earth by the sun?
__________N

Homework Equations



F=(G*M1*M2)/R^2

The Attempt at a Solution



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R is the distance between the centres of the objects -- not the radius.
(it's R because it's the radius of the orbit)
 
mgb_phys said:
R is the distance between the centres of the objects -- not the radius.
(it's R because it's the radius of the orbit)

ok so for part A i did:

G=6.67*10^-11
Mass of moon: 7.36*10^22 kg
Mass of sun: 1.99*10^30 kg
dist between sun and moon: 1.5*10^11 m

(6.67*10^-11)(7.36*10^22)(1.99*10^30) ALL OVER (1.5*10^11) and i got 6.51e31

but it says it's incorrect...
should i be converting to Newtons?
 
G=6.67*10-11 -- you are missing the units! G is not a number like pi. It is a physical constant, which means its value depends on the units in which it is represented.
 
D H said:
G=6.67*10-11 -- you are missing the units! G is not a number like pi. It is a physical constant, which means its value depends on the units in which it is represented.

alright then.. i don't know what the units would be in this case for G. i just know it's a universal constant. i never knew i would have to convert it somehow, and either way i still don't know how right now :(
 
It is 6.673*10-11 m3/kg/s2. So of course you got the wrong answer when you mixed meters and kilometers.
 
D H said:
It is 6.673*10-11 m3/kg/s2. So of course you got the wrong answer when you mixed meters and kilometers.

thank you, but...that is very confusing, and my teacher failed to mention those units in class. now i REALLY am confused as to how to incorporate it into the equation!
 
Sorry. For some reason I saw you using kilometers. You did use meters.

You're problem is here:

lettertwelve said:
(6.67*10^-11)(7.36*10^22)(1.99*10^30) ALL OVER (1.5*10^11) and i got 6.51e31

What is the equation for the gravitational force?
 
D H said:
What is the equation for the gravitational force?

for which planet? i know that for Earth we should multiply the number by 10 to get it in Newtons from Kilograms
 
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I am talking about Newton's universal law of gravitation. You applied it incorrectly.
 
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D H said:
I am talking about Newton's universal law of gravitation. You applied it incorrectly.

it's Fnet=ma
and F of gravity ~ (m1*m2)/d^2

how did i apply it incorrectly
 
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You divided by the distance, not the square of the distance.
 

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