Dynamics: solve both trajectories

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around solving a dynamics problem involving projectile motion in two dimensions with constant acceleration. The scenario involves a cannon shooting at a target above its initial position, and participants are attempting to find the angles of projection that will allow the cannon to hit the target.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant outlines the equations of motion for both the x and y directions, indicating the initial conditions and the need to find the angles of projection.
  • Another participant confirms that it is possible to use the quadratic equation to solve for the angle Θ after substituting the known values of displacement.
  • A further participant expresses uncertainty about the application of the quadratic equation due to the presence of sec²(Θ) and tan(Θ) in the equation, questioning whether this affects the solution process.
  • A later reply emphasizes the importance of understanding trigonometric identities, suggesting that substituting sec²(Θ) in terms of tan(Θ) could simplify the problem, though it acknowledges that the problem remains complex.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the quadratic equation can be used to find the angles, but there is uncertainty regarding the implications of the trigonometric functions involved in the equation. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to simplify and solve for Θ.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully resolved the mathematical steps involved in substituting and solving the trigonometric identities, and there are dependencies on the definitions of the functions used.

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Hey all,

Having trouble solving this one. Class is dynamics. 2D, constant accel.

Shooting a cannon at a point above the initial. Inital velocity is 400m/s

Cannon is at point A (origin) and we're shooting at point B @ (5000m, 1500m)

I'm asked to find the two thetas that satisfy.

So i got this so far, basically the givens.

In the x:

ax = 0
vx = v0*cos(Θ)
x = v0*cos(Θ)*t

In the y:

ay = -g
vy = v0*sin(Θ)-gt
y = v0*sin(Θ)*t-(1/2)gt2

I tried to eliminate t is the y position equation by

1) solving x for t
2) subing into y(Θ,t) for t to get y(Θ)
3) solving for Θ

I can't get through solving for Θ. Can I use the quadradic equation on y(Θ) to solve for Θ? How do i do that?
 
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600burger said:
... Can I use the quadradic equation on y(Θ) to solve for Θ? How do i do that?

Yes, you should be able to solve the quadratic equation for [tex]\Theta[/tex], after plugging in the values of displacement 5000 m and 1500 m.
 
Thats what my prof was saying, but I am not sure how that's done? cause it some up to like


-a*sec(Θ)^2 +b*tan(Θ) - c = 0

so does it matter that Θ is in sec^2 for the a and tan for b?
 
**In the voice of reason**

Learn your trig identities backwards and forwards!

*echo 7th grad algebra teachers voice

**End voice**


sec(Θ)^2 = 1 + tan(Θ)^2

Sub and solve. Still an ugly problem, but I'm gald I figured it out.:-p
 

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