DYNAMICS: SPINNING CONE WITH MASS TIME SENSITIVE (30 mins)

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The problem involves a dynamics scenario with a spinning cone and a mass placed inside it. The cone is oriented with its point down and revolves about its symmetry axis. The objective is to determine the positions on the cone where the mass can be placed without sliding, considering the forces acting on it.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the forces acting on the mass, including centripetal force, friction, and gravity. There is an exploration of the relationship between frequency and velocity, as well as the setup of equations to solve for the distance from the axis.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively questioning the nature of the forces involved and clarifying the role of the normal force in this context. Some have provided insights into the conceptual understanding of forces, while others are still seeking clarity on the setup and relationships between the forces.

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There is an indication that the participants are working under constraints typical of homework problems, such as needing to derive relationships without direct solutions provided. The discussion reflects uncertainty about the correct application of forces in a rotating system.

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Homework Statement


Dynamics Problem: Spinning cone with mass!?

The sides of a cone make an angle "THETA" with the vertical. A small mass "m" is placed on the inside of the cone and the cone, with its point down, is revolved at a frequency "f" about its symmetry axis. If the coefficient of static friction is "MU", at what positions on the cone can the mass be placed without sliding on the code? (Give the maximum and minimum distances, "r", from the axis)

Homework Equations


I guess what it boils down to is what forces are acting on the mass... what am I missing. So far I have these forces:
Centripetal, friction, and gravity. Is that it? And is (f/(2*pi*r)) equal to velocity?

The Attempt at a Solution


set up two equations, set normal force equal to each other, and solve for r?

(F_n)*cos(THETA) = (F_centrip) - (F_friction)*sin(THETA)
m*g = (F_n)*sin(THETA) + (F_friction)*cos(THETA)

i'm missing something :( what is it?!-
 
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1. Centripetal force is a name given to the net force that points towards the center of the circular motion, i.e. it is not an individual impetus of force.
2. The mass is touching the cone, right. If a book is sitting on a horizontal table, i.e. touching the table, what forces act on the book?
 
gravity, normal
 
Ah, so a normal force acts on the book since it is in contact with the table. How about your mass?
 
gravity, normal, friction? and normal is different because it's spinning?
 
What do you mean different? To determine forces, I go through a list in my head- are there strings attached?- tension/ is anyone pushing?- applied force/is this object in contact with something?-normal force/ etc.
After that draw a free body diagram.
 
k got it thanks
 

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