Dyson bladeless fan/turbine compressor building air cooling?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the design and functionality of Dyson bladeless fans, particularly in relation to air cooling systems. Participants explore the feasibility of using remote compressors and the implications of airflow dynamics, noise generation, and cooling efficiency in such setups.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the operation of the Dyson fan, noting that it forces air out along one side of a ring, drawing air from the opposite side to enhance airflow.
  • Another participant suggests that using ducts instead of hoses and refrigerant instead of bypassed air could be more effective for cooling.
  • Concerns are raised about the efficiency of heating due to the energy required for compression, with one participant stating that significant heating occurs but is not efficient.
  • A participant argues that the Dyson fan functions more like a centrifugal blower rather than a compressor, producing lower pressure and potentially less cooling effect.
  • Questions are posed regarding the noise generated by the air flowing out of the fan, with some participants noting that the noise from the blower in the base complicates assessments of the fan's noise levels.
  • Another participant mentions that there is still a fan inside the blower, comparing it to a gas/gas eductor and referencing natural draft cooling towers.
  • Repeated inquiries about the noise of the air flowing out of the fan highlight uncertainty about whether remote positioning of the air pump could lead to quieter operation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the efficiency and mechanics of the Dyson fan system, with no consensus reached on the effectiveness of using remote compressors or the nature of the fan's operation.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight various assumptions regarding the efficiency of air compression and cooling, as well as the definitions of components like blowers and compressors, which remain unresolved.

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the Dyson bladless fan relies on forcing air out along one side of the rim of a ring, so drawing air from the other side of the ring to create more airflow

the household implementation of the fan uses an ordinary air compressor at the base to pump the air into the ring, and this creates a noise which is more prominent than that which is produced by the blades of a regular fan


does anyone know , if anyone has used the bladless fan in such a way as to have the compressor at a remote location, and the ring connected by high pressure air hoses to the compressor?

furthermore, for the pump/compressor, it needs to be able to have a high air flow rate, especially when it is supplying compressed air to many bladeless fans...would a design like the compressor stages of a jet turbine engine work well?


the idea is that it would compress the air, causing it to heat up... the hot compressed air would then pass through a radiator section where flowing air bypassed from the pump (somewhat like the bypass air from modern jet engines) will cool the air to near ambient temperatures... when the compressed air reaches the fans, the decompression will cause a temperature drop in the air, thus provide an air conditioning effect, in addition to supplying fresh air in the building and causing large amounts of air circulation due to the function of the bladless fan
 
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Sure. We could also call those (not so) high pressure "hoses" ducts. Then instead of bypassed air for cooling we could use refrigerant. Lastly, instead of rings we'll use vents.

Anyway, I'd say you're exaggerating the "compressor" and its effects of heating and cooling.
 
You can get a lot of heating but it takes a lot of energy so is not efficient.
 
It is my understanding that what the Dyson has is much more accurately described as a centrifugal blower, not a compressor. It doesn't produce anywhere near the pressure of a compressor. A couple of inches of W.G. instead of many PSI. So there wouldn't be much cooling effect.
 
does the air flowing out of the bladeless fan create a lot of noise? it is normally hard to tell due to the noise of the blower in the base of the commercially available Dyson fans... so would situating the air pump remotely and connecting to the ring via hoses allow air to be circulated silently?
 
There is still a fan inside of the blower. It is basically a gas/gas eductor.
Similar to a natural draft cooling tower you would fine on a nuke plant.
 
carmatic said:
does the air flowing out of the bladeless fan create a lot of noise? it is normally hard to tell due to the noise of the blower in the base of the commercially available Dyson fans...
I've checked these things out. Much of the the noise is definitely coming from the outlet duct.
 
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