E and B Fields of Monochromatic Plane Waves

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The discussion focuses on determining the electric (E) and magnetic (B) fields of a monochromatic plane wave with a wavelength of 560 nm, polarized in the y-z plane, and propagating perpendicular to the x+y+z=0 plane. The intensity of the beam is given as 1 mW/cm², allowing for the calculation of the amplitude of the electric field, which is found to be approximately 7.685 x 10^-10 V/m. Participants discuss how to derive the wave vector (k) and the unit vector for polarization (n), emphasizing that k must be perpendicular to n. The conversation also touches on using the gradient to find a normal vector to the given plane. Ultimately, the key challenge lies in accurately defining the unit vectors for both k and n to solve for the E and B fields.
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Homework Statement



560 nm light is collimated and passes as a parallel beam in a direction perpendicular to the ##x+y+z=0## plane. It is polarized parallel to the ##(y-z)## plane. Treating it as a plane wave, what are the real E and B fields?

Intensity of the beam is ##1 \ mW/cm^2##. Make your expressions for the fields as numerical as possible.

Homework Equations



##E(r, t) = E_0 \ cos (k.r - \omega t) \hat{n}##

##B(r,t) = \frac{1}{c} E_0 \ cos (k.r - \omega t) (\hat{k} \times \hat{n})##

Where ##k## is the propagation/wave vector, and ##\hat{n}## is the direction of popularization.

##k=\frac{\omega}{\lambda f}=\frac{\omega}{c}= \frac{2 \pi}{\lambda}##

Using the following relationship, I used the given intensity to work out the amplitude:

##I=\frac{1}{2} c \epsilon_0 E_0^2 \implies E_0 = \sqrt{\frac{2I}{c \epsilon_0}} = 7.685 \times 10^{-10} \ V/m##

The Attempt at a Solution



So, to find ##k.r## and ##k \times \hat{n}##, I need the equation for a plane perpendicular to the ##x+y+z=0## plane. But how can I find this equation when there are infinitely many such vectors? :confused:

For instance the wave vector is ##k= \omega/c \ \hat{k}##, where ##\hat{k}## is a unit vector in the direction of the vector perpendicular to the ##x+y+z=0## plane. I also need that in order to work out the cross product ##\hat{k} \times \hat{n}## for the B field.

As for the polarization ##\hat{n}## (parallel to y-z plane), would the unit vector be ##\hat{n} = \frac{\hat{y}+\hat{z}}{\sqrt{2}}##? Or does the plus sign need to be changed to a minus? Any explanation would be greatly appreciated.
 
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roam said:
But how can I find this equation when there are infinitely many such vectors?
No, there is only one unit vector perpendicular to a given plane. Given ##\lambda## and the unit vector associated with the propagation, ##k## will be uniquely defined.
After finding such unit vector, use the fact that ##k## must be perpendicular to ##n##.
 
blue_leaf77 said:
No, there is only one unit vector perpendicular to a given plane. Given ##\lambda## and the unit vector associated with the propagation, ##k## will be uniquely defined.
After finding such unit vector, use the fact that ##k## must be perpendicular to ##n##.

Yes, we need to have ##\hat{n} . k = 0##. But what is the actual expression for this unit vector (that is perpendicular to ##x+y+z=0##)?

(I believe it should be of the form ##\hat{k}=(a\hat{x}+b\hat{y}+c\hat{z})/\sqrt{3}##, I then need to write ##k=\frac{2 \pi}{\lambda} \hat{k}##).

And what expression do you use for ##\hat{n}##? Is it ##(\hat{y} + \hat{z})/\sqrt{2}## or ##(\hat{y} - \hat{z})/\sqrt{2}## ? :confused:
 
roam said:
Yes, we need to have ##\hat{n} . k = 0##. But what is the actual expression for this unit vector (that is perpendicular to ##x+y+z=0##)?
Note that you can view the expression ## x+y+z=0## as a dot product between two vectors which are perpendicular to each other.
Another alternative will be apparent if you are more familiar with the use of gradient ##\nabla## to find a normal vector w.r.t. to a surface.
Let's first solve the vector ##k##, after that it should be easy to find the correct ##\hat{n}##.
 
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blue_leaf77 said:
Note that you can view the expression ## x+y+z=0## as a dot product between two vectors which are perpendicular to each other.
Another alternative will be apparent if you are more familiar with the use of gradient ##\nabla## to find a normal vector w.r.t. to a surface.
Let's first solve the vector ##k##, after that it should be easy to find the correct ##\hat{n}##.

How should I use the gradient ##\nabla## here? What are we differentiating?
 
It depends on which one is easier to you for use, if you think you can find the required unit vector for ##k## by viewing ##x+y+z=0## as a dot product as I said above then take this way.
As for the gradient, read this http://mathworld.wolfram.com/NormalVector.html.
 

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