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The discussion revolves around the application of the equation E=mc² to photons and the nature of energy in massless particles. Participants explore the implications of masslessness on energy calculations and the differences between rest energy and energy for moving particles, particularly photons.

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  • One participant asserts that E=mc² applies only to objects with mass, suggesting that the energy of a photon should be calculated using E=hc/w, where w is the wavelength.
  • Another participant explains that E=mc² represents rest energy and that photons, being massless, cannot be described by this equation, introducing the more general equation E² = p²c² + m²c⁴.
  • A participant mentions that for massless particles, energy can be expressed as E=pc, indicating that a photon has energy proportional to its momentum.
  • Some participants express confusion regarding the relationship between mass, momentum, and energy, particularly questioning how p=mv can lead to a non-zero energy for massless particles.
  • Several posts introduce an unrelated topic about the effects of fire and personal experiences with burns, which diverges from the main discussion about photon energy.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the application of E=mc² to photons, with multiple competing views on how to calculate the energy of massless particles and the implications of masslessness on energy.

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There are unresolved assumptions regarding the definitions of mass and energy in the context of photons, as well as the applicability of classical momentum equations to relativistic scenarios.

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E=MC^2

Here,
say we want to find the energy of a single photon.

that means,
mass of photon x speed of light squared = energy of photon

but a photon is mass less. isn't it?
but how can a photon have no energy?
 
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E = mc^2 only applies to objects with mass.

The equation for the energy of a photon is E = hc/w where h is Planck's constant, c is the speed of light, and w is the wavelength of the photon.
 


[itex]E_0 =mc^2[/itex] is the rest energy of a mass, i.e. this is the energy that a mass has when it is at rest. A photon is never at rest, so applying this equation makes no sense.E=mc2 is actually a specific case of a more general equation which gives the energy of a body at any velocity:

[itex]E^2 = p^2c^2+m^2c^4[/itex]

As you can see, when the body is at rest (i.e. the momentum, p, is zero) it reduces into the familiar E=mc2.

This equation can be applied to massless particles as well. Setting m=0 gives us:

[itex]E=pc[/itex]

So a photon has energy which is proportional to its momentum.
 


AakashPandita said:
that means,
mass of photon x speed of light squared = energy of photon

but a photon is mass less. isn't it?
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e=pc...you said for calculating energy of mass less particle.
but p=mv...so this too will eventually be 0.
 


If a fire burns at 10,000 watts, why do I get burned instead of shocked when I put my hand in it?
 


i don't know
 


AakashPandita said:
e=pc...you said for calculating energy of mass less particle.
but p=mv...so this too will eventually be 0.
p = mv only holds for particles moving at speeds much less than the speed of light; for massive particles at high speeds you must use the relativistic momentum expression.

The energy of a photon is given by E = hf. You can relate energy and momentum for a photon using E = pc.
 


russ_watters said:
If a fire burns at 10,000 watts, why do I get burned instead of shocked when I put my hand in it?
Huh? I know you are trying to make a point that is relevant to the thread. And based on history I probably agree with it, but I have no clue what you are getting at.
 
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russ_watters said:
If a fire burns at 10,000 watts, why do I get burned instead of shocked when I put my hand in it?

That happened to me when I was 5. I plugged in a cutoff extension cord my father had just removed from an old lamp and ran my hand down the cord. Zap, instant burn. My mother using the remedy of the day rubbed butter on the burn which we know nowadays not to do. The shock convinced me to study math and physics go figure.
 

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