Earth Mass Increasing? Photons and Photosynthesis making more matter on earth?

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SUMMARY

The discussion centers on the misconception that Earth's mass is increasing due to photosynthesis and the absorption of sunlight. Participants clarify that while plants convert sunlight into chemical energy, they do not create mass; instead, they derive their mass primarily from water and carbon dioxide. The Earth does gain mass from cosmic debris, approximately 40 gigagrams annually, but this is negligible compared to the overall mass of the Earth. The consensus is that any mass gain from sunlight absorption is offset by thermal radiation and other losses, resulting in no net increase in Earth's mass.

PREREQUISITES
  • Understanding of the Second Law of Thermodynamics
  • Basic knowledge of photosynthesis and plant biology
  • Familiarity with mass-energy equivalence (E=mc²)
  • Awareness of cosmic dust and meteorite impacts on Earth
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  • Research the role of cosmic dust in Earth's mass gain
  • Study the process of photosynthesis and its implications on energy conversion
  • Explore the concept of mass-energy equivalence in detail
  • Investigate the Earth's energy balance and thermal radiation processes
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  • #31
thanks for that DH

this isn't my particular field of physics so always willing to learn :)

so, I assume, we aren't even talking about rest mass of a photon, its purely the heating effect caused by the transfer of energy by the absorption of the photon ?

Dave
 
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  • #32
davenn said:
thanks for that DH

this isn't my particular field of physics so always willing to learn :)

so, I assume, we aren't even talking about rest mass of a photon, its purely the heating effect caused by the transfer of energy by the absorption of the photon ?

Dave

Exactly.
 
  • #33
davenn said:
so, I assume, we aren't even talking about rest mass of a photon
Correct.

its purely the heating effect caused by the transfer of energy by the absorption of the photon ?
Incorrect. There's also chemistry. Photosynthesis is an endothermic reaction. The sugars created by photosynthesis are more massive than the masses of the compounds that went into forming those sugars; it's a consequence of an endothermic reaction.
 
  • #34
davenn said:
and further to that ... aren't photons supposed to be massless ?
so isn't it irrelevant to discuss their coming to and going from the Earth causing an addition or loss of mass of the Earth ?
The statement that a photon is massless means that its energy equals its momentum in units where c=1. I.e. The formula for mass in such units is m^2=E^2-p^2. So, if you have an object with m=1 at rest (p=0 and E=1) and it absorbs a photon with E=1 (m=0 and p=1) then by conservation of momentum and energy after the absorption it has E=2 and p=1, which gives m=1.7 So even though a photon is massless another object can still gain mass when it absorbs one.
 

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