Earth Mass Increasing? Photons and Photosynthesis making more matter on earth?

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The discussion centers on whether Earth's mass is increasing due to processes like photosynthesis, where plants convert sunlight into matter. It is clarified that while plants transform sunlight into chemical energy, they do not directly increase Earth's mass; instead, they primarily derive their mass from water and carbon dioxide. The Earth does gain mass from cosmic debris, estimated at around 40 gigagrams annually, but this is significantly more than any mass increase from photosynthesis. Additionally, any energy absorbed from sunlight is eventually re-radiated as thermal energy, leading to a net balance in mass. Overall, while there are processes that contribute to mass gain, they are outweighed by losses, maintaining a stable mass in the long term.
  • #31
thanks for that DH

this isn't my particular field of physics so always willing to learn :)

so, I assume, we aren't even talking about rest mass of a photon, its purely the heating effect caused by the transfer of energy by the absorption of the photon ?

Dave
 
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  • #32
davenn said:
thanks for that DH

this isn't my particular field of physics so always willing to learn :)

so, I assume, we aren't even talking about rest mass of a photon, its purely the heating effect caused by the transfer of energy by the absorption of the photon ?

Dave

Exactly.
 
  • #33
davenn said:
so, I assume, we aren't even talking about rest mass of a photon
Correct.

its purely the heating effect caused by the transfer of energy by the absorption of the photon ?
Incorrect. There's also chemistry. Photosynthesis is an endothermic reaction. The sugars created by photosynthesis are more massive than the masses of the compounds that went into forming those sugars; it's a consequence of an endothermic reaction.
 
  • #34
davenn said:
and further to that ... aren't photons supposed to be massless ?
so isn't it irrelevant to discuss their coming to and going from the Earth causing an addition or loss of mass of the Earth ?
The statement that a photon is massless means that its energy equals its momentum in units where c=1. I.e. The formula for mass in such units is m^2=E^2-p^2. So, if you have an object with m=1 at rest (p=0 and E=1) and it absorbs a photon with E=1 (m=0 and p=1) then by conservation of momentum and energy after the absorption it has E=2 and p=1, which gives m=1.7 So even though a photon is massless another object can still gain mass when it absorbs one.
 

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