Eddy-current braking system, find the new velocity

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The discussion revolves around an eddy-current braking system involving a square loop entering a magnetic field. The problem presents parameters such as the loop's dimensions, initial velocity, magnetic field strength, resistance, and mass, and asks for the loop's velocity after a specific time interval. Participants are exploring the implications of these parameters on the system's behavior.

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Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are attempting to calculate the induced current and its effect on the loop's velocity. Some are questioning the relevance of the 0.1 seconds provided in the problem and whether it affects the induced EMF calculation. Others are considering energy conservation principles to understand the velocity change and discussing the energy lost due to resistance.

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There is an ongoing exploration of different methods to approach the problem, including the use of energy conservation and the impact of resistance on energy loss. Participants are actively questioning assumptions and clarifying the relationships between the variables involved, but no consensus has been reached on a specific method or solution.

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Some participants note potential confusion regarding the time interval's role in the calculations and the nature of energy loss in the system. The discussion reflects uncertainty about how to incorporate these factors into their reasoning.

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Homework Statement


Consider the eddy-current braking. A square loop, with 10 cm side is shot with the velocity 10 m/s into the uniform magnetic field with magnitude 0.1 T. The field is perpendicular to the plane of the loop, and the loop starts entering magnetic field at t=0. The resistance of the loop is 1.00 Ohm and the mass is 1.0 g. Assume the loop is moving to the right along x-axis and that x(t=0)=0. Find the velocity of the loop 0.1 seconds later. Comment on assumptions and approximation, or venture into the realm of differential equations…


Homework Equations


A = 0.1m X 0.1 m = 0.01m2
V = 10m/s
B = 0.1T
R = 1Ω
m = 0.001kg
t = 0.1s
Flux = BA = 0.001Wb
ε = Flux/t = 0.01v
I = ε/R
l = 0.1m

The Attempt at a Solution


My first reflex was to find the current: I = .01v/1Ω = 0.01A

And then I wanted to find the new velocity with the formula above, problem is; IR/Bl = (0.01A X 1Ω)/(0.1T X .1m) = 10 m/s, so that doesn't work

And now I'm stumped, I can't really figure out this problem -_-
 
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ε = Flux/t = 0.01v
Does your setup depend on the 0.1 seconds given in the problem statement? If not, why do you expect that the voltage depends on that time?
You have to use another value for the time here.

You could try energy conservation to calculate the velocity change.
 
mfb said:
Does your setup depend on the 0.1 seconds given in the problem statement? If not, why do you expect that the voltage depends on that time?
You have to use another value for the time here.


If I follow you, the actualy EMF exists before we are breaking, that is why I shouldn't consider the .1 second, so it would be simply divided by 1s (since no other time restriction is given)?

Thus giving

0.001V, which would also give 0.001A, which would in turn give a new velocity of 0.1m/s

And I still believe it makes no sense, that's too big of a change for .1 second, and I am not even considering the mass in what I just did.

You could try energy conservation to calculate the velocity change.

If I take this approach, I could find Ek = 0.5mv2 = 0.05j

And then I assume I'd have to find the potential energy of the system once it has been slowed down after the 0.1 second (by using the 0.05j I found with law of conservation of energy), but again I am stumped and do not know how to go about finding that information.

Second method does make a lot more sense than the first one though.
 
There is no relevant potential energy. You'll lose some energy due to the current flow in the curcuit.
 
mfb said:
There is no relevant potential energy. You'll lose some energy due to the current flow in the curcuit.

If I lose energy to the current flow, how can I use energy conservation to calculate the velocity change like you previously mentioned?

Or can I simply go ahead right away and find the energy of the system at 0.1s, and then use that in the kinetic energy formula to find the velocity? (Don't know how to do that yet, but if I'm on the right track I'll work on that)
 
kinetic energy before = kinetic energy afterwards + energy "lost" due to the resistance

"lost" in a technical sense here - the coil got warmer by a tiny amount.
 

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