Effect of Dielectric on Charge and Potential in a Parallel Plate Capacitor

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The discussion revolves around the effects of inserting a dielectric material into a parallel plate capacitor, specifically focusing on the changes in charge (Q) and electric potential (V) compared to a scenario without a dielectric. Participants explore the relationship between electric field strength, voltage, and charge in this context.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the impact of a dielectric on the electric field and potential, with some asserting that the charge remains constant when isolated, while others consider scenarios where the capacitor is connected to a battery. Questions arise regarding the behavior of charge and the reasons behind these changes.

Discussion Status

The conversation includes clarifications about the behavior of charge and voltage in different configurations of the capacitor. Some participants express confusion regarding textbook information and seek to reconcile it with the explanations provided. There is an ongoing exploration of the implications of connecting the capacitor to a battery versus isolating it.

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Participants reference a textbook that suggests conflicting information about charge behavior with dielectrics. The discussion also touches on the assumption that the capacitor may be either connected to a battery or isolated, which influences the charge dynamics.

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When a dielectric is inserted between the plates of a parallel plate capacitor , what would happen to its charge , Q and electric potential , V as compared to when there is no dielectric ?

My thoughts are the presence of dielectric cause the resultant electric field to decrease , and from E=V/d , the electric potential decreases too .

As for the charge , i am not so sure . Could it be that it is constant according to the charge principles , i don see where the charges can go .
 
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You are right, the charge stays the same, the electric field decreases.

ehild
 


ehild said:
You are right, the charge stays the same, the electric field decreases.

ehild

thanks ehild for clarifying , my book is wrong then , it says the charge increases in the dielectric case .
 


thereddevils said:
thanks ehild for clarifying , my book is wrong then , it says the charge increases in the dielectric case .

It does if the capacitor is connected to a battery, but the voltage is constant in this case. If the capacitor is isolated, the charge remains the same and the voltage decreases.

ehild
 


ehild said:
It does if the capacitor is connected to a battery, but the voltage is constant in this case. If the capacitor is isolated, the charge remains the same and the voltage decreases.

ehild

oh , yes its connected to the battery so the charges would increase with the presence of the dielectric but why ? Is it because the charges cannot go across to the other plate ?
 


You know that inserting a dielectric in the capacitor it will decrease the electric field. If E decreases, so does the voltage across the plates. But in case the capacitor is connected to the battery, charges will flow between the battery and capacitor plate until equilibrium is reached again when the voltage across the capacitor plates is the same as the voltage of the battery.

ehild
 


ehild said:
You know that inserting a dielectric in the capacitor it will decrease the electric field. If E decreases, so does the voltage across the plates. But in case the capacitor is connected to the battery, charges will flow between the battery and capacitor plate until equilibrium is reached again when the voltage across the capacitor plates is the same as the voltage of the battery.

ehild

thanks ehild !
 

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