Effect of Nozzle Design on Mass Flow Rate and Exhaust Velocity

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The discussion revolves around the effects of nozzle design on mass flow rate and exhaust velocity in rocket motors, specifically comparing a straight cylindrical pipe to a convergent-divergent nozzle. Participants explore theoretical implications, conservation of mass, and the relationship between mass flow rate and thrust generation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the mass flow rate would remain approximately 2kg/s with the addition of a convergent-divergent nozzle, given that exhaust velocity would increase.
  • Another participant notes that c-d nozzles are beneficial because they accelerate flow through the throat, resulting in higher exhaust velocity.
  • A different viewpoint suggests that if the nozzle is supersonic and chokes the flow, the mass flow rate may actually decrease compared to the straight tube, depending on the rocket's design.
  • One participant raises a concern about conservation of mass, questioning if a decrease in mass flow rate implies a pressure increase within the motor.
  • Another participant states that if the throat area of the nozzle matches the straight tube's cross-section, the mass flow rate will remain the same, but the exhaust velocity will be higher, leading to increased thrust.
  • It is asserted that conservation of mass cannot be violated, and that mass flow through the nozzle will depend on various factors including fuel, temperatures, pressures, and nozzle area ratios.
  • One participant argues that if the nozzle is operational and choked, the mass flow rate will not decrease and will depend on total pressure, total temperature, and throat area, suggesting that equal conditions would yield the same mass flow rate through both configurations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether the mass flow rate will decrease with the addition of a nozzle and the implications of conservation of mass. There is no consensus on the relationship between nozzle design and mass flow rate, indicating multiple competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

Participants discuss various assumptions regarding the design of the rocket motor, including the conditions under which the nozzle operates, the effects of pressure ratios, and the implications of flow choking. These factors contribute to the complexity of the discussion without resolving the uncertainties involved.

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Hi guys,

I'm no engineer, but I have a question regarding engine thrust and nozzles:

Consider a simple model rocket motor with no nozzle (i.e. just a straight cylindrical pipe with its mass flow coming out the back) that has a mass flow rate of 2kg/s. Since F = v dm/dt we would have dm/dt = 2kg/s and the exhaust velocity would most likely be quite low. Now consider the addition of a convergent-divergent nozzle. My question is this: The effect of the nozzle would be to increase the exhaust velocity, BUT due to the conservation of mass, would the mass flow rate (dm/dt) still be dm/dt = 2kg/s or close to 2kg/s?
 
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That's why c-d nozzles are useful. In order to maintain the continuity of the mass flow thru the nozzle, the flow must accelerate thru the throat, so Vout > Vin.
 
if you have a supersonic nozzle (and I'm assuming you do since there is no other reason to have a divergent portion), then you will choke the flow in the throat. Whether you are close to 2kg/s depends on the design of the rocket, though. It is much more likely that if a straight tube was ejecting 2kg/s, that you will have significantly less mass flow
 
Wouldn't conservation of mass be broken if the mass flow rate decreases? If the mass flow is decreased with the addition of a nozzle, does that mean that there will be a pressure increase within the motor? I'm guessing that the increase in exhaust velocity more than makes up for the decrease in mass flow.
 
It depends on your constraints on your question. If the throat area of the nozzle is the same as the cross-section of the hypothetical straight tube, then for a given total temperature and pressure, the mass flow will be the same. Of course with the nozzle, the velocity will be a great deal higher so you'll get more thrust from it.
 
Conservation of mass can't be broken. Your mass flow rate out of the combustion chamber will go down. The mass flow through the nozzle will be dependent on the fuel, operating temperatures and pressures in the combustion chamber, and the area ratios of the nozzle.
 
No, the mass flow will not go down in the situation I described. If the nozzle is started, then the throat is choked and it's mass flow is dependent on the total pressure, total temperature and the throat area. Starting a converging-diverging nozzle requires more pressure ratio than choking a straight pipe, so if the pressure ratio is enough to start the nozzle, then the pipe will be choked and it's mass flow equation is identical to the nozzle. In that case, if the areas of the throat and the pipe are equal, then equal reservoir conditions will produce the same mass flow rate through the nozzle or the straight pipe.
 

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