Understanding Backpressure Effects on Flow Meter Calibration

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The discussion revolves around the effects of backpressure on the calibration of a flow meter, particularly in the context of measuring mass flow rates in a system with varying pressure conditions. Participants explore the relationship between pressure differentials and mass flow rates, considering both theoretical and practical implications in experimental setups.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes a flow meter setup and questions how backpressure from downstream resistance affects calibration and mass flow rate measurements.
  • Another participant suggests that if the pressure difference (ΔP) remains constant, the mass flow rate (m-dota) will likely remain unchanged, assuming density does not vary significantly.
  • Concerns are raised about the impact of pressure changes on density, particularly for ideal gases, with a participant noting that density can double with significant pressure changes.
  • It is noted that the relationship between pressure drop and mass flow is not consistent across different pressure levels, with some arguing that the difference is negligible at higher pressures.
  • Participants discuss the applicability of the ideal gas law to relate pressure, density, and flow rate, suggesting that a constant relationship may exist under certain conditions.
  • Questions are raised about whether the flow is turbulent or laminar, with confirmation that the flow is indeed turbulent, affecting the pressure drop characteristics.
  • A suggestion is made to fit calibration data to a specific equation relating volume flow rate to pressure differential and density.
  • One participant expresses doubt about whether the mass flow rate can still be determined from upstream pressure if backpressure is present, seeking clarification on this point.
  • A later reply asserts that the mass flow rate is not provided by the upstream pressure under backpressure conditions, suggesting a need for further assistance if this is unclear.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the impact of backpressure on mass flow rate measurements, with some suggesting that it remains consistent under certain conditions, while others argue that it does not. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the definitive effects of backpressure on flow meter calibration.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include assumptions about the ideal gas behavior, the dependence of density on pressure, and the specific conditions under which the flow meter operates. The discussion does not resolve the mathematical relationships involved in these considerations.

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Hello all,

I have an in-house designed flow meter with roughly the configuration in the figure. In the setup, a restriction is placed in the flow stream (the rows of horizontal lines in the figure). Pressure measurements upstream and downstream of the restriction, P1 and P2, respectively are continuously monitored.

For calibration (determining the relationship between P1-P2 and the mass flow rate), the air flowing through the system is supplied to a nozzle with a flow straightener upstream of the nozzle exit. Velocity measurements with hot-wire anemometry allows me to calculate the mass flow rate at the exit of the nozzle at discrete P1-P2 values.

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So that's how far the calibration goes. Now on to how it's used in experiments.

For some of the experiments that I am conducting there can be a rather significant resistance in the flow (a filter). The backpressure created by this resistance is monitored by a pressure gauge mounted just upstream of P1 and may reach up to 1 bar (gauge). I am uncertain as to how this backpressure affects the flowmeter calibration. For example:

Let's say from the flow meter calibration, a mass flow rate, m-dota is provided by P1-P2 = Pa.

If a resistance is fitted downstream, causing backpressure, is m-dota still provided by Pa?

Thank you in advanced for any response.
 

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I think that if the difference ΔP is the same, the m-dota will almost be the same.

In your case, practically the volumetric flow (Q) depends only on the square root of ΔP. If the density does not change significantly, then the mass flow (m-dota), which equals (density)x(volumetric flow), will be the same.
 
DoItForYourself said:
If the density does not change significantly
For an ideal gas the density doubles when the pressure goes from 1 Bar to 2 Bar...

You have some ##\Delta p## that follows from ##c_d {1\over 2} \rho v^2 ## so you can bet that ##\Delta p(\dot m)## is a different function at different ##p## !
 
I agree with you, the function Δp(m) is not the same at different pressure.

But in the case of bigger pressures (for example from 20 to 21 bars), the difference is not so big.
 
OP is talking about 1 - 2 Bar for the pressure upstream of some filter if I am not mistaken.

If the gas is ideal enough, the ##\ \Delta p = c_d {1\over 2} \rho v^2\ ## can be worked around using the ideal gas law ##\ \rho = {pM\over RT}\ ## and ##\ v ={ \dot m\over \rho A\ }## leaving something like ##p\,\Delta p \approx {\rm constant} \times\dot m^2##
 
Does the flowmeter have turbulent flow, where the pressure drop is proportional to velocity squared? Or is it laminar, where the pressure drop is proportional to velocity?
 
JRMichler said:
Does the flowmeter have turbulent flow, where the pressure drop is proportional to velocity squared? Or is it laminar, where the pressure drop is proportional to velocity?

The flow is turbulent.
 
ca2n said:
The flow is turbulent.
yes. Perhaps you can find some guidance on the site of a flowmeter company like Brooks. Working principle is a little different but calulations are similar.
 
Since you have calibration data, you can fit your data to the following equation: Q = K * (delta P / rho)^0.5, where:
Q is volume flow rate
K is a least squares fit to your test data
Delta P is P1 - P2
rho is the fluid density

Get the density of air from a psychrometric chart. If your flowmeter operates with P2/P1 greater than 0.99, you can ignore the effects of compressibility. A good source on this is Measurement Systems Application and Design, by Doebelin.
 
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Thank you all for the responses. You have been very helpful.

I would like to go back to the original question, if I may:

ca2n said:
If a resistance is fitted downstream, causing backpressure, is ##\dot{m}_a## still provided by ##P_a##?

I will continue to look deeper into the physics, but is it safe to consider at this point that the answer is no?
 
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ca2n said:
m-dota still provided by Pa?
No it is not. If that isn't clear from the answers you received, you should seek some assistance with a person who understands these answers.
 
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