Effective atomic number for a mixture (with components concentration)

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The discussion revolves around calculating the effective atomic number (Zeff) for a mixture of silver and water, specifically focusing on how to convert the concentration of silver from mg/M to a fraction of total electrons for use in the Zeff formula. The conversation includes theoretical aspects of atomic mass and electron counts, as well as clarifications on concentration units.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about calculating Zeff for a silver-water mixture using a concentration of silver at 10 mg/M, questioning how to convert this concentration into a fraction of total electrons.
  • Another participant suggests converting the mass of silver to moles using its molar mass, providing a calculation for 10 mg of silver.
  • A follow-up post reiterates the conversion of silver mass to moles and seeks clarification on applying this to calculate Zeff.
  • A participant expresses confusion regarding the unit mg/M, suggesting that it may not be a standard concentration unit and clarifies the calculations for moles of silver and water, leading to a method for determining electron fractions.
  • Subsequent posts indicate a participant's acknowledgment of the helpfulness of the previous responses and a resolution of confusion regarding concentration units.

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Participants generally agree on the method of converting mass to moles and calculating electron counts, but there is some confusion regarding the unit mg/M and its application in the context of the discussion. The overall approach to calculating Zeff remains unresolved, with no consensus on the specific formula to use.

Contextual Notes

There is uncertainty regarding the interpretation of the concentration unit mg/M and its relevance to the calculations. The discussion also highlights dependencies on atomic masses and the need for clarity in the conversion process, which may affect the final calculations.

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Assume we have a concentration of any specific material (in mg/M). Let's say for example: Ag (Z=47) with concentration 10 mg/M in water (H2O, Z=7.42).

How can I calculate the effective atomic number (Zeff.) for the silver-water mixture if the concentration of silver was 10 mg/M for example?

The only formula I know to calculate Zeff. is the following:

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but it uses (fn) the fraction of the total number of electrons associated with each element, not the concentration in mg/M.

Is there any possible way to convert the concentration (in mg/M) into a fraction of total number of electrons for silver then calculate Zeff for the silver-water mixture mentioned above as an example?


Thanks in advance.

source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effective_atomic_number (example for H2O provided)

 
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Based on the atomic masses of silver, hydrogen, and oxygen, you can convert their masses to atom counts.

Silver has a molar mass of 107.8682 grams.
So for instance 10 mg of Silver is 0.010 / 107.8682 moles.
 
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I like Serena said:
Based on the atomic masses of silver, hydrogen, and oxygen, you can convert their masses to atom counts.

Silver has a molar mass of 107.8682 grams.
So for instance 10 mg of Silver is 0.010 / 107.8682 moles.

Thanks for the response. that's for my second question..
but how can I apply this to calculate the Zeff for the silver-water mixture using the formula in the original post above (or any other formula) ?
 
I'm a bit confused about your unit mg/M.
What does it mean?
Afaik 1 M = 1 mol/L.

Anyway, if you have 10 mg silver in 1 kilogram water, you have:
0.010 / 107.8682 moles silver
1000 / 18 moles water, consisting of 2000 / 18 moles hydrogen, and 1000 / 18 moles oxygen.

Therefore the number of silver electrons is 47 x 0.010 / 107.8682.
The number of hydrogen electrons is 1 x 2000 / 18.
And the number of oxygen electrons is 8 x 1000 / 18.

From this you can calculate first the fractions, and then the Zeff.
 
sorry, I've been busy with exams.

Thanks a lot. your last post was very helpful.
 
I take it you've already taken the exam on this subject... successfully?
 
not on this subject specifically but it helped me to figure things out... I was not convinced that mg/M is even a concentration unit, it confused me but I think I've got it all clear now. Thank you <3
 

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