Effects of Crushing a Solid on Equilibrium Position

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The discussion revolves around the effects of crushing a solid reactant on the equilibrium position of a chemical reaction. Participants explore the implications of increased surface area on reaction rates and equilibrium, considering both forward and backward reactions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that pulverizing solid A increases its surface area, leading to more frequent collisions and potentially shifting the equilibrium towards the products.
  • Another participant questions whether the backward reaction would also be affected by the increased surface area.
  • Some participants argue that the solid A is only a reactant in the forward reaction, implying that it would not influence the backward reaction.
  • There is a discussion about the deposition speed of products and how it relates to the surface area of the solid, with some suggesting that changes in surface area affect both reactions equally.
  • Concerns are raised about the role of surface free energy of solid A in equilibrium calculations, with differing views on its significance.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing opinions on whether crushing the solid affects the equilibrium position, with some arguing it does and others maintaining it does not. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing views on the influence of surface area and reaction rates.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention concepts such as surface free energy and deposition speed, but these ideas are not fully explored or agreed upon, leaving some assumptions and dependencies unaddressed.

RoboNerd
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Hi everyone.

So I have been learning about equilibrium recently in class... and suppose I have the following reaction:

A(s) + B(aq) <-----> C(aq) + D(g)

[Note: in parentheses, I indicate the state of my substances]

So I was told recently that pulverizing my solid "A" would not change the position of equilibrium as nothing will happen... but I recalled our unit on Kinetics which says that increasing the surface area of my reactants will increase frequency of collisions which will increase the rate of the chemical reaction.

So, my impression is that pulverizing A would increase the surface area and increase the collisions for the forward reaction. Thus, the forward reaction would speed up, and a shift to the products would occur with [C] and [D] increasing.

Will the equilibrium shift, or will it not, when I crush a solid, and most importantly, why?

Thanks for reading and thanks in advance.
 
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What the backward reaction, will increased surface speed it up too, or not?
 
I believe it will not as the solid is only a reactant in the forward reaction and not in the backward one.
 
Would you happen to know if this is the case?
 
RoboNerd said:
I believe it will not as the solid is only a reactant in the forward reaction and not in the backward one.

Good point. But product has to be deposited and the deposition speed depends on the amount of available surface. Changing the are influences both the forward and the backward reaction.
 
So you are saying that both reactions will proceed in the same speed?

Wow.

We did not discuss deposition and deposition speed in class at all... so this is an unfamiliar concept for me.
 
RoboNerd said:
So you are saying that both reactions will proceed in the same speed?

No, the CHANGE in both speeds will be identical, and their ratio will remain constant.
 
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Thanks so much!
 
But you are increasing the surface free energy of solid A. Should this not enter into equilibrium calculation?
 
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snorkack said:
But you are increasing the surface free energy of solid A. Should this not enter into equilibrium calculation?

Interesting point. My bet is that if you compare it with everything else, the difference is negligible. Or, in the cases where it matters, when you have a mixture of crystals with any equilibrium allowing transport of the substance between them, smaller ones disappear while the larger ones grow, so the overall surface goes down relatively fast, reducing the possible difference.
 
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