Effects of Removing a Spring on Oscillating Mass: Analysis and Amplitude Changes

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The problem involves a mass oscillating between two springs and the effects of removing one spring on the oscillation characteristics, specifically the resulting position function x(t) and the new amplitude. The mass is initially at equilibrium when centered between the two springs, and the question arises about the changes in motion and energy conservation when one spring is removed.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the equations for x(t) before and after the removal of the spring, questioning how to relate the amplitudes and understand the implications of energy conservation. There are attempts to express constants A and B in terms of the amplitude d and to clarify the conditions at t=0.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing with various interpretations of the problem being explored. Some participants have offered guidance on expressing the constants and relating them to the amplitude, while others are questioning the assumptions and conditions provided in the problem statement. There is a focus on deriving relationships between the equations and understanding the implications of the changes in the system.

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There are constraints regarding the initial conditions and the timing of the spring's removal, which have led to some confusion among participants. The problem's setup includes specific values for the amplitude and the conditions at t=0, which are critical for determining the new amplitude after one spring is removed.

  • #31
sqrt(3*d**2 + d/2*sqrt(3))
 
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  • #32
I don't understand how you got sqrt(3) inside sqrt().

By the way, I think you made a mistake early on when you got x = A sin 2wt + B cos 2wt. How did you get the 2 there?
 
  • #33
damn it should be sqrt(2) not 2 in there, and before that mistake I had A=d*sqrt(3) and B=d/2, A^2 = 3*d^2 and B^2 d/2*sqrt(3)
 
  • #34
And fixing that mistake I get A in the 1 spring to equal d/2*sqrt(6). I then get amplitude = sqrt(6*d**2 / 4 + d/2*sqrt(3))
 
  • #35
So the final result is?
 
  • #36
sqrt(6*d**2 / 4 + d/2*sqrt(3))
 
  • #37
One more time: how do you keep getting sqrt(3) inside sqrt() for amplitude? What is B for the 1-spring system?
 
  • #38
B is d/2
 
  • #39
Then how do you get this: sqrt(6*d**2 / 4 + d/2*sqrt(3))?
 
  • #40
I am an idiot. So for amplitude I get d/2*sqrt(7). I don't know why I added a sqrt(3) as it came from nowhere so ignore that and you should get this.
 
  • #41
I think that concludes this exercise. What you should really try to remember is how you can always convert ## A \sin \omega t + B \cos \omega t ## into ## C \sin (\omega t + \alpha) ##. In many cases, you can directly solve ##x'' + \omega^2x = 0 ## as ## C \sin (\omega t + \alpha) ## and determine ## C ## and ## \alpha ## from initial conditions. Also, the relationship between ## A ##, ## B ## and ## C ## is also a useful one (as you have surely noticed).
 

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