Efficiency of Carnot Engine w/ 0.75kg Ideal Gas

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The discussion centers on calculating the efficiency of a Carnot engine using 0.75 kg of an ideal gas through a cycle comprising two isobaric and two isometric processes. Participants initially calculated the efficiency as 40% using the formula e = 1 - T_c/T_h, but later discussions revealed that the correct efficiency is 53%, based on temperatures derived from the ideal gas law and the Carnot efficiency formula. The confusion arose from the interpretation of the processes involved and the temperatures at various points in the cycle, leading to differing conclusions about the efficiency.

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  • Understanding of Carnot efficiency formula: e = 1 - T_c/T_h
  • Knowledge of ideal gas law: PV = nRT
  • Familiarity with thermodynamic processes: isobaric and isometric
  • Ability to interpret Pressure-Volume (P-V) diagrams
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  • #31
LOL! Well, I thought that too... But then it would have to have been curved... O_o I know you CAN calculate at any point the T because that is definitely a given on any Pressure versus Volume graph... So tell me, did I explain that part correctly now that we've cleared up the confusion?
 
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  • #32
I got it! BOOOO
 
  • #33
I thought your graph said 1-2 was a constant temperature line!

<Pulls my hair out>

None of it is constant temperature. You have to find the gas constant using:

PV=mRT

Then do as you guys tried by going around the entire process.

You will find that T_H = 835.714

and T_L = 390

use that in carnot and you will get:

\eta_{th,rev} = 1- \frac{T_L}{T_H} = 1 - .4666 = .5333

That was an AWFUL problem in my opinion.
 
  • #34
cyrusabdollahi said:
I got it! BOOOO

Oh darn it :-(

Now this is the part where you explain how you did it with your ever-knowing knowledge and mind.
 
  • #35
Oh wait.. Now I forget something... T(h) would be the hottest temperature and T(c) would be the coldest?

I kept thinking initial and final O_o Explain it to me again
 
  • #36
No, I just stole what you did. (with some refining) :smile:
 
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  • #37
Wow, thanks a lot!
I kept taking the inital temperature as the hot too!
 
  • #38
Tell your teacher that problem is unclear.
 

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