Eigenvalues and diagonalisation of differentiation as a linear transformation

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The discussion revolves around the eigenvalues and diagonalization of linear transformations related to differentiation in the context of polynomial spaces. The original poster presents two parts: the differentiation operator D on polynomials and another operator T defined by T:f(x) -> (1-x)² f''(x).

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the characteristic polynomial of the differentiation operator D and its implications for eigenvalues and diagonalization. There is an attempt to construct the matrix representation of D and discuss the nature of its eigenvalues.
  • In the second part, participants discuss how to express the operator T as a matrix and question the eigenvalues derived from it, with some suggesting specific polynomial forms and exploring potential eigenvalues.

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The conversation is active, with participants providing feedback on each other's attempts to derive characteristic polynomials and eigenvalues. Some guidance is offered on constructing matrices and exploring specific cases, while others question the definitions and setups involved in the problem.

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There are indications of confusion regarding the definitions of the operators and the setup of the problems, particularly in the second part concerning the operator T. Participants also express uncertainty about the eigenvalues and the methods to derive them.

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Homework Statement



Let V be the space of polynomials with degree \leq n (dimV=n+1)
i. Let D:V->V be differentiation, i.e. D: f(x) -> f'(x)
What are the eigenvalues of D? Is D diagonalisable?

ii. Let T be the endomorphism T:f(x) -> (1-x)2 f''(x).
What are the eigenvalues of T? Is T diagonalisable?

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i. I have constructed the matrix of D with respect to the basis {1,x,x2,...,x2}
C = \left[ \begin{array}{ccccc} 0 & 1 & 0 & ... & 0 \\ 0 & 0 & 2 & ... & 0 \\ : & : & : & : & : \\ 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & n \\ 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 \end{array} \right]

The characteristic polynomial of this (I think) is xn+1 + (-1)n(n!)

I have no idea how to solve this to get eigenvalues?

Or is there a better way to approach this question?
 
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Your characteristic polynomial is wrong. Try expanding the determinant along the first column.
 
Oh yes so it is, the characteristic polynomial is just xn+1 I think, this equals zero when \lambda = 0, so \lambda = 0 is the only eignvalue, and D is not diagonalisable?
 
Right. It has only one eigenvector. The problem is basically finding polynomials that satisfy p'(x)=\lambda p(x). If p(x) is degree n>0, the LHS is degree n-1, so there is no solution for n>0. The only solution is p(x)=constant.
 
Any ideas on part ii? I tried to express T as a matrix but it seems a lot more complicated.

So I tried to solve (1-x2) f''(x) = \lambdax and got a value for f(x) involving logs. Does this mean \lambda = 0 is the only eigenvalue again?
 
Were you able to express T as a matrix? One way to do it is to apply T to the nth basis vector to get the nth column of T. For example, the third column would be given by:

T\begin{bmatrix}0\\0\\1\\0\\ \vdots \\ 0\end{bmatrix}=(1-x)^2 (x^2)'' = 2-4x+2x^2 = \begin{bmatrix}2\\-4\\2\\0\\ \vdots \\ 0\end{bmatrix}

You'll need to figure out what pattern it follows.
 
Would you not also square the x in the first bracket, so it would be (1-x2)2f''(x2)

Then when I try to create the matrix I think the onlu number in the diagonal is a -4 from this column, and the rest of the matrix contains a lot of 0s, so just guessing would the characteristic polynomial be xn(x+4) in which case we have eigenvalues 0 and -4? Is there a better way to express this pattern?
 
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If so, considering 0, f(x) = px + q would work, however I can't think of a polynomial that would work for -4.
 
What exactly is T? In the original post, you wrote (1-x)2f''; in your later post, you have (1-x2)f''. I used the former in my example.

I'd try finding the eigenvalues for the n=3 or n=4 case. See if you can spot a pattern.

Another approach you could take is finding a series solution to the differential equation. See if there's a way to get the series to terminate after a finite number of terms so you get a polynomial solution. By the way, in the differential equation you wrote down, the RHS should have f(x), not just x.
 
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Kate2010 said:
Would you not also square the x in the first bracket, so it would be (1-x2)2f''(x2)
No, f(x)=x2 is the vector. T takes its second derivative and multiplies it by (1-x)2.

Then when I try to create the matrix I think the onlu number in the diagonal is a -4 from this column, and the rest of the matrix contains a lot of 0s, so just guessing would the characteristic polynomial be xn(x+4) in which case we have eigenvalues 0 and -4? Is there a better way to express this pattern?

Kate2010 said:
If so, considering 0, f(x) = px + q would work, however I can't think of a polynomial that would work for -4.
You're off by a column. The bottom 2 would be the element in the diagonal.

Try working out the n=3 case. You'll get a 4x4 matrix that you can read the eigenvalues off of. When you solve for the eigenvectors, you'll (hopefully) see the pattern, from which you can deduce the solution to the differential equation.
 
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Thanks for all your help, I think I got there in the end. I had misunderstood the question. When I made a matrix of T I found the eigenvectors to be 2,6,...,n(n-1) and the eigenvalues to be 1, x, (1-x)^n :)
 

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