Eigenvalues,charateristic polynomial

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The discussion revolves around finding eigenvalues and the characteristic polynomial of a matrix, with a specific focus on a matrix involving a variable \( K \) and a parameter \( \lambda \). Participants are exploring the relationship between these variables and how to express one in terms of the other.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the determinant of a matrix to derive the characteristic polynomial and express \( K \) in terms of \( \lambda \). There is uncertainty about the correct setup of the matrix and the implications of the derived equations. Some participants suggest plotting a function related to \( K \) and \( \lambda \) to visualize the relationship.

Discussion Status

There are multiple interpretations of how to proceed with the problem, particularly regarding the role of \( K \) and the quadratic equation derived from the characteristic polynomial. Some participants have provided guidance on solving the quadratic equation, while others express uncertainty about the next steps.

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Participants note missing information in the matrix setup and question the assumptions made regarding the constants and variables involved. There is also mention of constraints related to the range of values for \( K \) in the context of plotting.

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so i tried doing the problem i going to use L for lambda
i got the matrix
[1-L, 3]
[K , 4-L]

then i do determinant to get the characteristic polynomial
(1-L)(4-L)-3K=0
L^2-5L+4=3k
K=(L^2-5L+4)/(3)

the other way i did it but I am not sure is [(L^2-5L+4)/(K)] -3

i also tried doing this in MATLAB by doing
k=-100:100
a=[1 3; k 4;]
but that i think would just put a bunch of numbers where k is i think
not really sure how to proceed from here
 
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i think what you are being asked to do is plot the function:

k(L) = (1/3)(L2-5L+4)

limiting the range (the "y" axis, or in this case, the "k" axis) to [-100,100]

(so you can fit all L values that give output values within your range on the plot).
 
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The Attempt at a Solution



so i tried doing the problem i going to use L for lambda
i got the matrix
[1-L, 3]
[K , 4]
Missing part of the lower right element.
stefan1988 said:
then i do determinant to get the characteristic polynomial
(1-L)(4-L)-3K=0
L^2-5L+4=3k
K=(L^2-5L+4)/(3)
No, the idea is to solve for lambda (L here). k is just a constant.

Solve this equation: λ2 - 5λ + 4 - 3k = 0. This is a quadratic in λ.
stefan1988 said:
the other way i did it but I am not sure is [(L^2-5L+4)/(K)] -3

i also tried doing this in MATLAB by doing
k=-100:100
a=[1 3; k 4;]
but that i think would just put a bunch of numbers where k is i think
not really sure how to proceed from here
 
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Deveno said:
i think what you are being asked to do is plot the function:

k(L) = (1/3)(L2-5L+4)

limiting the range (the "y" axis, or in this case, the "k" axis) to [-100,100]

(so you can fit all L values that give output values within your range on the plot).

that's what i get for not reading closely enough *facepalm*.

right it should be L in terms of f(k).
 
Solve this equation: λ2 - 5λ + 4 - 3k = 0. This is a quadratic in λ.

(λ-4)(λ-1)-3k
λ=4
λ=1

i solved it but I am not sure what I am supposed to do with it though
 
stefan1988 said:
(λ-4)(λ-1)-3k
λ=4
λ=1
You're ignoring the -3k. And the above should be an equation; namely λ2 - 5λ + 4 - 3k = 0.

Do you know how to solve quadratic equations?
stefan1988 said:
i solved it but I am not sure what I am supposed to do with it though
 
Deveno said:
that's what i get for not reading closely enough *facepalm*.
Happens to us all (well, it happens to me). Don't feel bad.
 

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