Eigenvector proof from Dirac's QM

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The discussion revolves around a proof from Dirac's Quantum Mechanics concerning the representation of eigenkets as sums of eigenkets of a real linear function. Participants express confusion regarding specific steps in the proof, particularly the implications of certain equations and substitutions.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses irritation with the proof and seeks clarification on how the vanishing of a specific equation follows from a substitution.
  • Another participant requests additional context by asking for previous pages of the text to better understand the proof.
  • A participant points out a potential error in the original equation presented by the first poster, noting that the constant term should be a_{n+1} instead of a_{n} and clarifies the form of the equation as it appears in the book.
  • One participant questions why a certain expression is zero for all ξ, given that it is zero for specific substitutions, and seeks clarification on the transition from complex numbers to a generalized real linear operator.
  • Another participant explains that if an n-1 degree polynomial has n distinct zeros, then the polynomial itself must be zero, providing a mathematical rationale for the earlier claim.
  • A participant acknowledges confusion regarding the operator nature of ξ, indicating a potential source of misunderstanding in the discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the proof, with some clarifying points while others remain confused about specific transitions and implications. No consensus is reached on the clarity of the proof or the reasoning behind certain steps.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include potential misunderstandings of the mathematical properties of polynomials and the nature of the operator ξ, which may affect the interpretation of the proof.

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Hi everyone,

I'm currently working my way through Dirac's Quantum Mechanics, and I found this proof really irritating.

We're trying to demonstrate that any eigenket can be expressed as a sum of eigenkets of a real linear function [itex]\xi[/itex] which satisfies the equation [itex]\varphi[/itex]([itex]\xi[/itex]) = a[itex]_{1}[/itex][itex]\xi[/itex][itex]^{n}[/itex]+a[itex]_{2}[/itex][itex]\xi[/itex][itex]^{n-1}[/itex]...+a[itex]_{n}[/itex]

I attach Dirac's proof. I'm confused by how 22 vanishing for [itex]\chi (\xi)[/itex] in general follows from the substitution.

Thanks.
 

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It would help me if you can attach previous two pages too. I don't have access to this book right now.
 
Oxfordstudent said:
Hi everyone,

I'm currently working my way through Dirac's Quantum Mechanics, and I found this proof really irritating.

We're trying to demonstrate that any eigenket can be expressed as a sum of eigenkets of a real linear function [itex]\xi[/itex] which satisfies the equation [itex]\varphi[/itex]([itex]\xi[/itex]) = a[itex]_{1}[/itex][itex]\xi[/itex][itex]^{n}[/itex]+a[itex]_{2}[/itex][itex]\xi[/itex][itex]^{n-1}[/itex]...+a[itex]_{n}[/itex]

I attach Dirac's proof. I'm confused by how 22 vanishing for [itex]\chi (\xi)[/itex] in general follows from the substitution.

Thanks.
Before I answer your question, let me point out that your version of eqn (17) has a small problem. If [itex]a_1[/itex] is the coefficient on [itex]\xi^n[/itex], then the constant term should be [itex]a_{n+1}[/itex]. Also, in eqn (17), [itex]\phi[/itex] is set to zero. Here is the eqn as it appears in the book.
[tex]\phi(\xi) = \xi^n+a_1\xi^{n-1}+a_2\xi^{n-2}+\cdots+a_{n} = 0[/tex]

However, this has nothing to do with the problem you are facing. As for your problem, in the text below expression (21), there is an explanation of why that expression is equal to zero. Equation (22) is then the result of setting (21) to zero and applying (21) to the ket [itex]|P>[/itex].
 
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Sorry about copying that equation incorrectly - I think my brain must have given up on the formatting.

The thing I don't understand is why 21 is zero for all ξ given that it is zero for the substitution Cs (s = 1, 2, 3...n). Dirac justifies it by saying that the expression is of degree n-1 in ξ. This is obviously the case but I don't understand why it means you can go from the substitution of complex numbers to a generalized real linear operator. I'm sure there's something really simple here I haven't grasped.
 
Because if an n-1 degree polynomial has n distinct zeros, then the polynomial itself is zero. For instance, a quadratic has no more than 2 zeros, and a cubic has no more than 3. etc.
 
Yes, that would be the case. I think I was just confused by ξ being an operator.
 

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