Eigenvectors, spinors, states, values

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The discussion revolves around the concepts of eigenvalues, eigenvectors, eigenstates, and eigenspinors in the context of quantum mechanics, particularly focusing on spin-1/2 systems. Participants explore the definitions and distinctions between these terms and their usage in introductory quantum mechanics.

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  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant asserts that the eigenvalues of S_x, S_y, and S_z for spin-1/2 are always ±ħ/2 for spin-up and spin-down.
  • Another participant suggests that "eigenvector" is the correct term for integral spin, while "eigenspinor" is used for half-integral spin.
  • A participant questions whether eigenvectors, eigenspinors, and eigenstates are interchangeable in introductory quantum mechanics.
  • It is noted that while the terms are often used interchangeably in introductory contexts, there are distinctions, as a spinor is not a vector and vice versa.
  • One participant clarifies that "state" refers to state vector, implying that eigenstate and eigenvector are synonymous, while spinors are a specific representation of spin state vectors.
  • Specific representations of state vectors and spinors are discussed, including the notation used for expressing them.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty about the precise definitions and distinctions between eigenvectors, eigenstates, and eigenspinors, indicating that multiple competing views remain on the terminology and its application in quantum mechanics.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted lack of detailed exploration of the differences between vectors and spinors in introductory quantum mechanics, which contributes to the confusion among participants.

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For spin-1/2, the eigenvalues of S_x, S_y and S_z are always \pm \frac{\hbar}{2} for spin-up and spin-down, correct?

What is the difference between eigenvectors, eigenstates and eigenspinors? I believe eigenstates = eigenspinors and eigenvectors are something else? I'm just getting confused, because my teachers use the letter \chi for everything.
 
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Hi SoggyBottoms! :wink:

I think "eigenvector" is the correct technical term for integral spin, and "eigenspinor" for half-integral spin.

But i wouldn't worry about it. :smile:
 
So all three terms are actually the same? At least as far as my introductory QM is concerned? Eigenvector = eigenspinor = eigenstate?
 
well, not exactly the same, since a spinor isn't a vector, and a vector isn't a spinor

but your introductory QM probably doesn't go into the difference between vectors and spinors in detail anyway o:)
 
It doesn't indeed, but they use all the terms interchangeably it seems, so it's confusing. Thanks.
 
State is short for state vector, so eigenstate and eigenvector are the same. These terms are general and apply to every quantum system.

Spinors are a specific way to express spin state vectors. For spin 1/2 particles, they have two or four components (Pauli spinor vs. Dirac spinor).

State vectors are written as |ψ>. If you want to write them in a specific base, you use column vector notation (<a1|ψ> <a2|ψ> ... )T. The same notation is often used for spinors, although rectangular brackets are arguably better to make it clear you are talking about spinors: χ=[c1 c2]T.
 

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