Einstein field equations

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the implications of the Einstein field equations (EFEs) in relation to various conservation laws and principles in physics. Participants explore whether these equations can lead to deductions about conservation of mass, energy, mass-energy, linear momentum, angular momentum, and the principle of least action, as well as the concept of curvature of space-time having a "potential" under certain conditions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions if the Einstein field equations can deduce various conservation laws, including conservation of mass and energy, and the principle of least action.
  • Another participant asserts that the Einstein's Field Equation can be derived from the principle of least action using the Hilbert Action.
  • A subsequent reply emphasizes that deriving the Einstein field equations from Lagrangians assumes the validity of conservation laws due to symmetries in Lagrangian mechanics.
  • Another contribution mentions that after solving for the metric from the EFEs, one can use Killing's Equations to identify symmetries and conserved quantities through respective Killing vector fields.
  • One participant notes that the Einstein tensor satisfies a specific condition as a consequence of an action principle, indicating that what is conserved is related to the energy-momentum tensor.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

The discussion contains multiple competing views regarding the relationship between the Einstein field equations and conservation laws, and it remains unresolved whether the curvature of space-time can be interpreted as having a "potential" under certain conditions.

Contextual Notes

Participants do not fully agree on the implications of the Einstein field equations for conservation laws, and there are unresolved assumptions regarding the conditions under which these deductions might hold.

Alain De Vos
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Can one deduce from the einstein field equations:
-Conservation of mass
-Conservation of energy
-Conservation of mass-energy
-Conservation of linear momentum
-Conservation of angular momentum
-Principle of least action
?

And does curvature of space-time has a "potential" on certain conditions ?
 
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You can obtain the Einstein's Field Equation from the principle of least action using the Hilbert Action...
 
Matterwave said:
You can obtain the Einstein's Field Equation from the principle of least action using the Hilbert Action...

Also, principle of least action derives many conservation laws using virtue of symmetries in lagrangian mechanics, if you derive field equation from lagrangians, you atomatically assume that conservation laws are valid.
 
Otherwise, once you have solved for the metric from the EFEs you can use Killing's Equations to find symmetries/conserved quantities by solving for the respective killing vector fields.
 
The Einstein tensor

[tex]G^{\mu\nu}=R^{\mu\nu}-(1/2)Rg^{\mu\nu}[/tex]

obeys [itex]{G^{\mu\nu}}_{ ;\nu}=\kappa\ {T^{\mu\nu}}_{ ;\nu}=0[/itex] identically as a consequence of satisfying an action prinple. What is conserved is the complex T, the energy-momentum tensor.
 
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