Einstein notation and the permutation symbol

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The discussion focuses on understanding Einstein notation and the permutation symbol, particularly in evaluating the expression εijkaiaj. The participant believes that εijkaiaj equals zero because it represents the cross product of a vector with itself, which is inherently zero. They seek clarification on the significance of the kth component of a cross product and how the absence of the ek component relates to this. The explanation provided confirms that swapping indices in the expression leads to a sign change, demonstrating that the expression equals zero due to the antisymmetry of the permutation symbol. This reinforces the concept that any symmetric product of components results in a cancellation, leading to the conclusion that εijkaiaj is indeed zero.
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Homework Statement


This is my first exposure to Einstein notation and I'm not sure if I'm understanding it entirely. Also I added this class after my instructor had already lectured about the topic and largely had to teach myself, so I ask for your patience in advance...

The question is:
Evaluate the following expression: εijkaiaj


Homework Equations


a ^ b = ai ei ^ bj ej = aibj (ei ^ ei) = aibj εijk ek

Where I'm following his notation that ^ represents the cross product of the two vectors


The Attempt at a Solution


Now, just going off what I have seen so far in the handout he has posted, I believe the answer to be

εijkaiaj = (a ^ a)k or, εijkaiaj is the kth component of a ^ b and because the expression is a vector crossed with itself it is equal to zero

But what does it mean to be the kth component of a cross product? Honestly I'm working backward from a similar to an example he has in the handout and making the assumption that the reason the ek component is absent from the expression is because it is the kth component of the cross product, but from what I have to reference I cannot say with any degree of certainty if that is true and it makes me uncomfortable. Any help is greatly appreciated.
 
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rcummings89 said:

Homework Statement


This is my first exposure to Einstein notation and I'm not sure if I'm understanding it entirely. Also I added this class after my instructor had already lectured about the topic and largely had to teach myself, so I ask for your patience in advance...

The question is:
Evaluate the following expression: εijkaiaj


Homework Equations


a ^ b = ai ei ^ bj ej = aibj (ei ^ ei) = aibj εijk ek

Where I'm following his notation that ^ represents the cross product of the two vectors


The Attempt at a Solution


Now, just going off what I have seen so far in the handout he has posted, I believe the answer to be

εijkaiaj = (a ^ a)k or, εijkaiaj is the kth component of a ^ b and because the expression is a vector crossed with itself it is equal to zero

But what does it mean to be the kth component of a cross product? Honestly I'm working backward from a similar to an example he has in the handout and making the assumption that the reason the ek component is absent from the expression is because it is the kth component of the cross product, but from what I have to reference I cannot say with any degree of certainty if that is true and it makes me uncomfortable. Any help is greatly appreciated.

For a vector, a_k is the component corresponding to \mathbf{e}_k. Thus \mathbf{a} = a_1 \mathbf{e}_1 + a_2 \mathbf{e}_2 + a_3\mathbf{e}_3. If you work out the cross product of \mathbf{a} and \mathbf{b} you'll find that the \mathbf{e}_1 component is a_2b_3 - a_3b_2 = \epsilon_{ij1}a_i b_j and similarly for the other components. Thus \epsilon_{ijk}a_i b_j is the \mathbf{e}_k component of \mathbf{a} \times \mathbf{b}.

You can get that \epsilon_{ijk}a_ia_j = 0 more easily by observing that swapping the dummy indices i and j changes the sign of \epsilon_{ijk} but doesn't change the sign of a_ia_j; thus \epsilon_{ijk}a_ia_j = \epsilon_{jik}a_ja_i = -\epsilon_{ijk}a_ia_j = 0. The same argument shows that if T_{ij} is any symmetric tensor then \epsilon_{ijk}T_{ij} = 0.
 
pasmith,
Thank you for clarifying, that definitely helps! But it does bring up another question for me though; again, I'm in the early stages of learning about this notation, and know that switching the indices changes εijk to εjik = -εijk, but why does it equal zero?
 
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