Divergence of Cross Product Relation

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves proving a relation concerning the divergence of the cross product of two vector fields, specifically E and H. The original poster has made an attempt to prove this relation but is struggling with the application of relevant equations and properties of divergence and cross products.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to interchange divergence and cross products but is unsure how to arrive at the required terms. They also consider applying a product rule but express concern about the lack of cross products in one of the equations.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided insights regarding the use of vector equations and the product rule. There is a recognition that the original poster's approach may need adjustment, particularly in light of constraints mentioned in the problem statement. Multiple interpretations of how to proceed are being explored.

Contextual Notes

The problem explicitly instructs not to use the definition of the cross product to rewrite it in terms of components, which adds a layer of complexity to the discussion. Participants are navigating this constraint while seeking a viable approach to the proof.

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Homework Statement


The problem is given in the following photo:
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Actually I did the first proof but I couldn't get the second relation. (Divergence of E cross H).

Homework Equations


They are all given in the photo. (a) (b) and (c).

The Attempt at a Solution


What I tried is to interchange divergence and cross products as it was given in (a). But I couldn't figure out how I am going to get 2 terms at the end. I also tried to apply the relation in (c), but it does not have any cross product, and I think there is no way to use equation in (b). So how can I prove the equation given at the end by using (a) (b) or (c) without decomposing into components or using Einsteins notation.
 
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The product rule, as it appears in (c), is a vector equation. Its ith component is ##\partial_i (fg)=(\partial_i f)g+f\partial_ig##. If you use the definition of the cross product to rewrite the cross products in the problem, you will encounter expressions of the form ##\partial_i (fg)##.

Edit: In this problem, you don't even have to use the definition, since (c) also tells you that if f and g are vector-valued functions, you're allowed to use that ##\partial_i (f\cdot g)=(\partial_i f)\cdot g+f\cdot\partial_ig## and ##\partial_i (f\times g)=(\partial_i f)\times g+f\times\partial_i g##.
 
That is right. I didn't think using that for cross product. After that I can use (a) to prove the given relation.

It seems this was a little bit dummy question.

Thank you very much!
 
Looking at the problem again, I see that the final sentence tells you NOT to use the definition of the cross product to rewrite it in terms of components. But you can still use the comment I added when I edited my previous post.
 

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