Einstein Summation: Swapping Dummies i & j

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The discussion revolves around the manipulation of indices in Einstein summation notation, specifically regarding the interchangeability of dummy indices i and j in the context of a mathematical expression. It clarifies that changing index i in one term does not affect index i in another term due to the summation convention. The participants explore how switching indices can lead to different results, emphasizing that understanding the factorization process is crucial. Suggestions are made to revert to explicit summation notation to aid comprehension, as visualizing expressions can sometimes enhance understanding. Ultimately, the discussion concludes that the equality of certain derivatives leads to the conclusion that the term in braces equals zero.
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My question is regarding a single step in a solution to a given problem. The step begins at:

##\large \frac{\partial \alpha _j}{\partial x ^i}
\frac{\partial x^i}{y^p}
\frac{\partial x^j}{\partial y^q} -
\frac{\partial \alpha _j}{\partial x ^i}
\frac{\partial x^i}{\partial y^q}
\frac{x^j}{ \partial y^p}
##The solution says that the second term has the dummy i and j indices which can be switched in order to factorise which gives us:##\large \big (\frac{\partial \alpha _j}{\partial x ^i}
-
\frac{\partial \alpha _i}{\partial x ^j} \big )
\frac{\partial x^i}{\partial y^p}
\frac{\partial x^j}{\partial y^q}
##1. To clarify, the Einstein summation means that changing the index i in the second term has no implication for the index i in the first term?2. If the dummies i and j were switched from the first term then I would result in the negative answer. So how does one know beforehand which term for whcih the indices have to be switched?
 
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In the second term, does replacing index i by index m and replacing index j by index n change anything?
 
George Jones said:
n the second term, does replacing index i by index m and replacing index j by index n change anything?
Well no because the summation will still be the same. But that makes it diffucult to see the factorization that is needed.
 
So, now the second term is

$$\frac{\partial \alpha _n}{\partial x ^m} \frac{\partial x^m}{\partial y^q} \frac{\partial x^n}{ \partial y^p}.$$

Does replacing index m by index j and replacing index n by index i change anything?
 
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George Jones said:
So, now the second term is

$$\frac{\partial \alpha _n}{\partial x ^m} \frac{\partial x^m}{\partial y^q} \frac{\partial x^n}{ \partial y^p}.$$

Does replacing index m by index j and replacing index n by index i change anything?

But I still don't see how this answers by second question?
 
Raptor112 said:
But I still don't see how this answers by second question?

I might suggest a radical approach of putting the sigmas back in so you can see what's going on. The summation convention is only a shorthand, after all.
 
Raptor112 said:
But I still don't see how this answers by second question?

If you type in the expression that results when this is done, we can discuss the expression.

Also, this might help you to understand things. I sometimes find that my understanding changes when I actually write an expression down. Unfortunately, it can go both ways! Sometime, I don't understand an expression when I visualize it in my mind, but things become clear when I write the expression down. Other times, I think that I understand something, but I when I write it down, my "understanding" fades.

PeroK said:
I might suggest a radical approach of putting the sigmas back in so you can see what's going on. The summation convention is only a shorthand, after all.

I only recommend doing this as a short-term aid for learning how to deal with expressions that omit the Sigmas.
 
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Your question 1 is true; the Einstein summation convention only applies to terms connected by multiplication . For question 2 there is no way to know before hand and your reasoning must lead to the conclusion that the term in braces equals zero, i.e. ∂αj/∂xi = ∂αi/∂xj
 

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