Einstein's Mass-Energy Relation

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The discussion centers on Einstein's mass-energy relation, particularly the implications of mass and energy as an object approaches the speed of light. Participants explore theoretical aspects of mass, energy, and the limitations of massive bodies in achieving light speed, touching on concepts from relativity.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asserts that as an object approaches the speed of light, its mass turns to zero, suggesting that infinite energy is required to reach light speed.
  • Another participant counters that massive bodies cannot achieve the speed of light, emphasizing that only massless objects can travel at that speed.
  • A different viewpoint challenges the initial claim, stating that the mass of an object does not turn to zero and that no body with mass greater than zero can reach light speed.
  • It is noted that the invariant mass of a particle remains constant regardless of the energy applied to accelerate it, and that all observers measure the speed of light as constant.
  • One participant argues that the concept of mass increasing with speed is outdated, suggesting that energy increases instead, with kinetic energy approaching total energy as rest mass decreases.

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Participants express multiple competing views regarding the relationship between mass, energy, and the speed of light. There is no consensus on the implications of mass at light speed, with some participants affirming the impossibility of massive bodies reaching that speed while others challenge the initial claims about mass behavior.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference concepts such as invariant mass and the distinction between rest mass and kinetic energy, indicating a nuanced understanding of relativistic physics. However, the discussion does not resolve the underlying assumptions about mass and energy transformations.

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We know that the mass of anybody turns to zero as it gains the velocity of light.
From Einstein's Mass-Energy relation,
E=mc2
so that,
m=E/c2
It is clear that mass is directly proportional to energy.
For a body to gain light's speed, we have to apply infinite amount of energy to the body to accelerate it. So, the mass of the body also increases in large amount till it attained the velocity of light. From this, it is clear that the body will have maximum mass just a moment ago when it gains the velocity of light.
As soon as it gains the velocity of light, how does all the mass change to zero? Doesn't it should have more mass?
 
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Massive bodies simply cannot achieve the speed of light. Period.
 
curious bishal said:
We know that the mass of anybody turns to zero as it gains the velocity of light.
Well, that's what comes of "knowing" something that is NOT true!

No, the mass of anybody does NOT turn to 0 as it "gains the velocity of light". What is true is that no body with mass greater than 0 can "gain the velocity of light". It is only bodies that have mass 0 (photons, gravitons, etc.) that can travel at the speed of light to begin with (and they cannot travel at any speed lower than the speed of light).
 
Only massless objects, like photons, can travel at "c", as measured locally, as already posted. If you were to try to accelerate any particle with mass, no matter how much energy is used, the 'rest mass', better called 'invarient mass', remains constant and the particle will never attain speed 'c'.

A cornerstone of relativity is that all massive bodies [meaning observers, or a particle or object with mass] measure the local speed of light the same..."c". So no matter how fast, say your spaceship goes, light stills zips past you at the same old "c". So you can never 'catch up' with lightspeed!

example: You are on a rocket traveling at 0.8c relative to some observer: If you turn on a flashlight the lightspeed relative to you, the slight speed your would measure, [as well as the other observer] is incredibly, still the same old 'c'.
 
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HallsofIvy said:
(and they cannot travel at any speed lower than the speed of light).

That's a great point often not mentioned!
 
As I just said in another thread, the whole concept of mass increasing with speed of a body is obsolete and should be forgotten. Energy increases. Even more, the fraction of total energy that is kinetic energy approaches 100%. You can arrive at the photon limit by keeping total energy constant, and decreasing rest mass. Then speed approaches c, and when rest mass is zero, total energy = kinetic energy, which is true for a photon.
 

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