Eintein's theory of relativity

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The discussion revolves around the implications of Einstein's theory of relativity, particularly regarding scenarios involving travel at the speed of light and the effects of time dilation on twins. Participants explore hypothetical situations related to light reflection and aging differences between twins under extreme velocities.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether a person traveling at the speed of light on a train could see their own reflection in a mirror.
  • Another participant asserts that no massive object can travel at the speed of light, rendering the initial questions pointless.
  • Some participants discuss the implications of time dilation, suggesting that if one twin travels at near-light speed, they would age slower than the twin remaining on Earth.
  • A participant clarifies that the second twin would appear older upon reunion, as they would have aged more during the journey.
  • Mathematical expressions are presented to illustrate the relationship between the velocities and the aging of the twins.
  • Another participant emphasizes that traveling at the speed of light is impossible for objects with mass and discusses the conditions under which time dilation occurs.
  • There is a reiteration of the idea that all motion is relative, and in their own frame, a traveler would not perceive themselves as moving.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the feasibility of traveling at the speed of light and the implications of such travel. While some agree on the effects of time dilation, there is no consensus on the initial hypothetical scenarios posed.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in the scenarios, noting that the questions posed involve conditions that are theoretically impossible under relativity. The discussion also reflects varying interpretations of the implications of relativity on hypothetical situations.

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Readers interested in theoretical physics, particularly those exploring concepts of relativity, time dilation, and the implications of traveling at relativistic speeds.

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i would like to know in context to Eintein's theory of relativity if it is actually possible if someone was in a train traveling at the speed of light, and they held up a mirror is it possible that, that person would be able to see their own refelction?

umm also in a paradox, if one twin was to travel into space at the speed of light for 10 years theoritically they would have aged 50 years,, would they look different to their other twin after traveling at the speed of light for 10 years?

thankyou
 
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No massive object can travel at the speed of light so both of these questions are pointless.
 
umm its a theory IF it could happen is it possible
 
doc.madani said:
i would like to know in context to Eintein's theory of relativity if it is actually possible if someone was in a train traveling at the speed of light, and they held up a mirror is it possible that, that person would be able to see their own refelction?

Einstein's theory of special relativity postulates that light travels at the same rate in all inertial reference frames. If you are on a train going nearly the speed of light with respect to another reference frame, you would still see light in your frame as traveling at the speed of light. In other words, YES you would see your reflection, AND it wouldn't seem any different from looking into a mirror on Earth.
 
doc.madani said:
umm its a theory IF it could happen is it possible

You need to place some comma's in your sentences. Neither situation is theoretically possible. It's like asking what's North of the North pole (as a member here once described it). The second situation is better posed (in reverse, as your question was posed incorrectly) as what would happen to the twin if he was sent off at such a speed approaching the speed of light that he experienced 10 years in the stationary twin's 50 years of time. The answer is yes, the, stationary twin will appear 40 years older then the twin who was jetted off.
 
doc.madani said:
umm also in a paradox, if one twin was to travel into space at the speed of light for 10 years theoritically they would have aged 50 years,, would they look different to their other twin after traveling at the speed of light for 10 years?

I don't really understand this question. As you accelerate to near the speed of light you start to age slower than an observer at rest. So if your twin stays home, and you travel on a rocket at near the speed of light, your twin will be older when you get home.
 
yea sorry i mis-worded that question, i was referring, if one twin was accelerating to the speed of light for 10 years, whilst the other twin remained in Earth for the same peroid of time would the twins still look the same?

cause i heard therotically, 10 years traveling at the speed of light is equivalent to 50 years spent on earth.
 
It is impossible to travel at the speed of light if you have mass. Period. End of Statement.

Time dilation is dependent on the speed the twin is traveling. The passing of 50 years in the stationary frame while 10 years passes for the twin traveling with a constant velocity is true for only 1 velocity which is easily calculable but I'm too lazy to do it.
 
T'=t(rt.1-v^2/c^2)
10=50(rt.1-v^2/c^2)
v^2/c^2=24/25
v=[4.89/5]c
v=0.97c
 
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Traveling at 0.9798c will make you age 10 years while the twin on Earth ages 50.

[tex] t_0 = \frac{t}{\gamma}[/tex]
[tex] \gamma = \frac{1}{\sqrt{1-\left(\frac{v}{c}\right)^2}}[/tex]

t0 is your time, t is Earth time, v is your velocity, c is the speed of light.
 
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doc.madani said:
umm its a theory IF it could happen is it possible
Do you realize you are saying "If Einstein's theory were wrong, what would Einstein's theory say about this situation?" The situation you envision is theoretically impossible in relativity so, even theoretically, it cannot happen.

You can say, "suppose a man traveling at 99.999999% the speed of light relative to a given observer were to look into a mirror".

But the whole point of "relativity" is that all motion is relative. In his own frame of reference, the man is not moving at all. Of course, he can see his own reflection.
 

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