Elastic and inelastic collisions help

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The discussion revolves around problems related to elastic and inelastic collisions, specifically focusing on the principles of momentum, kinetic energy, and the effects of friction in a mechanical system. Participants are examining a scenario involving blocks sliding down a ramp and colliding with each other, raising questions about energy transformations and the role of height in potential energy calculations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are attempting to apply conservation laws to solve for velocities and energies in the context of collisions. Questions arise regarding the correct interpretation of height in the problem, the impact of friction, and the calculations for work done. Some participants express uncertainty about their calculations and seek clarification on the relationships between potential and kinetic energy.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing their calculations and seeking feedback on their reasoning. Some have provided numerical answers while others are questioning the assumptions made in the problem setup, particularly regarding the initial height and the effects of friction. There is an exploration of different interpretations of the problem, but no consensus has been reached yet.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working with potentially conflicting information regarding the initial height of the ramp, as indicated by both a diagram and the problem text. There is also a mention of needing specific mass values to fully resolve the calculations related to kinetic energy and work done.

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Homework Statement


here is a picture of the problems I am having trouble with:
http://oi55.tinypic.com/2llca50.jpg
or if that doesn't work: http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2llca50&s=7


Homework Equations


for question 1:
part 1: p1 + p2 = p`1 + p`2 and Distance=Time*Speed
part 2: W(f) = F(f) x d, where F(f) is the Frictional force and d is the distance moved, and F(f) = μN, where μ is the coefficient of friction (i think)
part 3: i don't understand how there is a height acheived, other than falling 5m down the ramp

for question 2:
part 1, 2 and 3: Ke=1/2mv^2 AND m1v1+m2v2 = m1'v1'+m2'v2'


The Attempt at a Solution


question 1:
part 1: I am really not sure how to figure in friction to this part, all i really know is mgh plays a part. but to what extent, I am not sure. this is my biggest problem.

part 2: since i don't know the distance moved, i can't find out the work done by friction

part 3: -5m is the only height achieved that i could see as plausible

question 2:
part 1: 9.6 + 0 = 3.2v+2.0v
v = 9.6/3.2/2.0/2 = .75m/s
Ke = 1/2 (3.2+2)(.75)^2 = 1.46J

part 2: v = .75m/s+(9.8m/s*.2857s[calculated using an online calculator]) = 3.54m/s
Ke = 1/2 (5.2)(3.54)^2 = 32.5j

part 3: theyre different because the connected boxes and gained velocity due to gravity during a freefall, which caused a rise in kinetic energy



i'm fairly clueless as to whether i got any of that right, and you can see i need a strong push in the right direction on the first one.
i really appreciate your help
 
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so i did some more more and here's what i got

question 1
part 1.) a. 16.7m b. 4.91
part 2.) a. 3.34 b. .982
part 3.) i still don't understand at all

question 2
1.) 8.4J
2.) 29J
3.) potential energy becomes kinetic energy during the fall etc etc
 
haha u go to UofM borther?

Mishra's class? was just about to post the same thing!
 
The diagram indicates an initial height of 5m, but the problem text states 2.5m. Which is correct?

For part 3, since the block sliding down the ramp collides with a stationary block of twice the mass, you can expect the less massive block to recoil (bounce back to some degree). Hence it will travel back up the ramp to some height that depends upon the recoil velocity.
 
gneill said:
The diagram indicates an initial height of 5m, but the problem text states 2.5m. Which is correct?

For part 3, since the block sliding down the ramp collides with a stationary block of twice the mass, you can expect the less massive block to recoil (bounce back to some degree). Hence it will travel back up the ramp to some height that depends upon the recoil velocity.

its 2.5m, sorry about that. a hack job in paint

and so for part 3, would i use 1/2 mVo^2= mgh ?
 
duxerwhere said:
its 2.5m, sorry about that. a hack job in paint

and so for part 3, would i use 1/2 mVo^2= mgh ?

Yes, you'll have to determine the recoil velocity of m1 and then apply the above to find h.
 
gneill said:
Yes, you'll have to determine the recoil velocity of m1 and then apply the above to find h.

How would you find the work though?
 
BugMeNot_dude said:
How would you find the work though?

Are you referring to the work referenced in part 2? At first glance, it looks to me as though the best you can do is find expressions for the work in terms of the mass, m1. The work done in slowing the bodies from whatever speed down to zero will equal their initial kinetic energies, or force times distance. You would need to know the actual mass of the object in order to determine the KE or the force (due to friction).
 

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