Elastic collision and angle of deflection problem

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The discussion revolves around an elastic collision problem involving the conservation of momentum and kinetic energy. Participants are exploring the equations related to the angles of deflection and the velocities of two colliding objects.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • One participant attempts to apply conservation of momentum and kinetic energy equations but expresses difficulty with the algebra involved. Another participant questions the signs used in the equations, suggesting that the relative sign in the "y" equation must be negative for the equations to balance. There is also a discussion about whether the sign can be determined by the angles involved.

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing hints and guidance rather than direct solutions. There is an emphasis on the importance of solving the problem independently for learning purposes, while also exploring different interpretations of the equations and their components.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the complexities of the equations without complete consensus on the correct approach, indicating potential misunderstandings or differing interpretations of the problem setup.

Ahmed Farhan
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2. The equations are the equations of conservation of momentum:
m1v = m1v1cosθ1 + m2v2cosθ2
0 = m1v1sinθ1 + m2v2sinθ2

3. I tried to solve it using the above equations and also tried using kinetic energy conservation since it's an elastic collision. But I can't work out the algebra. Is there something wrong with the logic? I'm completely lost on this one. Someone please solve this for me.
 
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The relative sign in the "y" equation must be negative otherwise you cannot get the two to add to zero. The symbols v1 and v2 are speeds, therefore positive.
 
kuruman said:
The relative sign in the "y" equation must be negative otherwise you cannot get the two to add to zero. The symbols v1 and v2 are speeds, therefore positive.
Should it matter? The sign can be determined by the value of the angles.
 
Ahmed Farhan said:
I tried to solve it using the above equations and also tried using kinetic energy conservation since it's an elastic collision. But I can't work out the algebra. Is there something wrong with the logic? I'm completely lost on this one. Someone please solve this for me.
Hi Ahmed Farhan

It will be no good for you to get the solution by someone else. In order to learn Physics you have to solve it yourself. I'll give you some hints on this for (a):
take the conservation of momentum as you did and also the conservation of energy. Solve the system of these equations. Your aim is to get the ##cos\theta_{m}##. See how you can continue from there.
 

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