Elastic collisions of a moving ball hitting a stationary ball

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The discussion revolves around an elastic collision involving two identical balls, where one ball is initially in motion and the other is stationary. The original poster presents a scenario with specific masses and velocities, seeking to determine the post-collision speeds and directions of both balls.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the conservation of momentum and energy equations related to the collision. The original poster expresses uncertainty about the adequacy of the information provided, particularly regarding the post-collision velocities.

Discussion Status

Some participants offer guidance on setting up the equations necessary for solving the problem, while others question the original poster's assumptions and calculations. There is an ongoing exploration of the relationships between the variables involved in the collision.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the need for clarity on the definitions and relationships between the variables, as well as the requirement to derive expressions for the angles involved in the collision. There is an acknowledgment of the complexity of the problem and the necessity to revisit foundational equations.

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Homework Statement



A 2.0 kg ball moving with a speed of 3.0 m/s hits, elastically, an identical stationary ball. If the first ball moves away with an angle 30 degrees to the original path, determine the speed of the first ball after the collision, and the speed and direction of the second ball after the collision.

Homework Equations



v_1 = V_1cos30 + v_2cos(theta) for the movement in the "x" direction

and

0 = v_1cos30 + v_2cos(theta) for movement in the "y" directions


The Attempt at a Solution



Played with this for hours but to me it does not seem like there is enough information. I feel like I am missing at velocity for after the collision.

Thanks
 
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hi doub! welcome to pf! :smile:
doub said:
A 2.0 kg ball moving with a speed of 3.0 m/s hits, elastically …

an elastic collision is defined as one in which energy is conserved (as well as momentum, which is always conserved in collisions) :wink:
 
Right,

this is the best answer I got however I do not feel anywhere near confident.

3.0 m/s = v_1'cos30 + v_2'cos(theta) = 2.598 m/s + v_2'cos(theta) = 3.0 m/s - 2.598 m/s
so v_2'cos(theta) = 0.402 m/s in the "x" direction

0 = v_1'sin30 + v_2'sin(theta) = 1.299 m/s + v_2'sin(theta). so v_2'sin(theta) = -1.299 m/s

tan^-1 = v_2'cos(theta)/v_2'sin(theta) = -1.299/0402 = -72 degrees

and using sqrt(v_2'sin(theta)^2 + v_2'cos(theta)^2 = 1.36 m/s

am I anywhere in the ballpark at least?
 
hi doub! :smile:

(try using the X2 button just above the Reply box :wink:)
doub said:
3.0 m/s = v_1'cos30 + v_2'cos(theta) = 2.598 m/s + v_2'cos(theta) = 3.0 m/s - 2.598 m/s

no, v1' isn't 3.0, it's unknown!

try the momentum equations again (and you'll need an energy equation also) :smile:
 
yeah I'm totally lost now
 
start again, with v1' v2' and θ as your three variables

(you have three equations: x, y, and energy, so that should be solvable :wink:)

show us what you get :smile:
 
Ok,

The equations I have gotten are

x --> v_1 = v_1'cos30 + v_2'cos(theta)

y --> 0 = v_1'sin30 + v_2'sin(theta)

Energy --> v_1^2 = v_1'^2 + v_2'^2
 
fine so far :smile:

now fiddle about with the first two equations so that cosθ and sinθ are on their own, then use cos2θ + sin2θ = 1 to eliminate θ :wink:
 
So,

cos(theta) = v1 - (v1'cos30)/v2'

and

sin(theta) = (-va'sin30)/v2'

where do the sin2theta come from?
 
  • #10
uhh? :confused:

square both equations! :smile:
 
  • #11
I am just not seeing this...

cos2(θ) = (v12 -v12'cos302)/v2'2

sin2(θ) = (-v12'sin302)/v2'2

thanks very much for helping btw
 
  • #12
ok, now add

θ will miraculously disappear! o:)

:smile: pzzaaam!
 
  • #13
so if we add are we left with;

(v12 -v12'cos302) + (-v12'sin302) / 2v2'2

?
 
  • #14
doub said:
cos2(θ) = (v12 -v12'cos302)/v2'2

sin2(θ) = (-v12'sin302)/v2'2

actually, the RHS of that first equation should be (v1 -v1'cos30)2/v2'2
doub said:
so if we add are we left with;

(v12 -v12'cos302) + (-v12'sin302) / 2v2'2

?

how did you get that?

where has the = sign gone? :confused:
 

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