What is the Fraction of Energy Lost by an Electron in Elastic Scattering?

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The discussion focuses on calculating the fraction of energy lost by an electron during elastic scattering with a stationary particle. The key equation derived is (Ee - Ee')/Ee = 1/[1 + Mc²/Ee(1 - cosθ)], where Ee is the initial energy and Ee' is the final energy after scattering. Participants emphasize the importance of using conservation of energy and momentum principles to derive the relationship. One user expresses frustration with the algebraic manipulation needed to arrive at the final expression, while another suggests solving for Ee' in terms of the other variables and substituting back into the energy loss equation. The conversation highlights the challenge of algebraic simplification in physics problems.
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Homework Statement


An electron collides with a particle with mass M at rest and scatters elastically through an angle θ (assume electron mass negligible).
Show that the fraction of energy lost by the e- is:

(Ee - Ee')/Ee = 1/[1+ Mc2/Ee(1-cosθ)]

Homework Equations


Conservation of Energy: Ee + Mc2 = Ee' + EM
Conservation of momentum: Pe = Pe' + PM

E2 = P2c2 + M2c4

or for electron since mass negligible, E=Pc

Previous parts of the questions required the rearrangements of these to get:
PM2 = 1/c2[Ee2 +Ee'2 - 2EeEe'cosθ]

The Attempt at a Solution


I've tried to solve this so many times but the closest I can get is:

(Ee - Ee')/Ee = Ee'(1-cosθ)/Mc2

I don't know if I'm missing some kind of relation I can use to sub in Ee' for Ee because in the final expression I'm trying to get there seems to be way more Ee's than I would expect.

I've also tried working backwards to find out what I'm missing from the answer but I just don't see it.

I think I have tunnel vision from trying this so often and can't see another way, so thank you in advance for any help, it's greatly appreciated!
 
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Your situation is equivalent to Compton scattering (just with different particles), you should find derivations for this in textbooks and websites.
 
Poirot said:
I've tried to solve this so many times but the closest I can get is:

(Ee - Ee')/Ee = Ee'(1-cosθ)/Mc2

I don't know if I'm missing some kind of relation I can use to sub in Ee' for Ee because in the final expression I'm trying to get there seems to be way more Ee's than I would expect.

I've also tried working backwards to find out what I'm missing from the answer but I just don't see it.

I think I have tunnel vision from trying this so often and can't see another way, so thank you in advance for any help, it's greatly appreciated!
You're not missing any physics here. It's just algebra. Starting from the expression you got, solve for ##E_e'## in terms of ##E_e##, ##\theta##, and ##M##. Then plug the result into ##(E_e-E'_e)/E_e## and simplify.
 
I hope this is helpful.
 

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