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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around determining the characteristics of continuous-time (CT) systems, specifically whether they are causal or non-causal, and whether they possess memory or are memoryless. The focus includes analyzing two equations representing different systems and their properties in the context of digital signal processing.

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Main Points Raised

  • Post 1 presents two equations and claims that the first equation is causal and memoryless, while the second is causal and has memory, providing reasoning for each classification.
  • Post 2 and Post 3 confirm the classifications but correct the spelling of "causal," indicating a minor error in terminology.
  • Post 4 questions the linearity of the second equation, suggesting that it appears nonlinear when graphed, and seeks clarification on this observation.
  • Post 6 speculates that the nonlinearity may arise from taking derivatives and integrals, and questions whether the second equation represents a time-varying or time-invariant system, proposing that it is time-varying due to differences between input and output.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the classifications of the first equation as causal and memoryless, and the second as causal with memory. However, there is uncertainty regarding the linearity of the second equation and whether it is time-varying or time-invariant, indicating a lack of consensus on these points.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions regarding the linearity of the second equation and the definitions of time-varying versus time-invariant systems, which depend on specific interpretations of the equations and their outputs.

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Determine if the CT systems are 1) casual or uncasual 2) memory or memoryless.

Definitions:

Casual: If for any time t1, the output response y(t1) at time t1 resulting from input x(t) does not depend on the values of the input x(t) for t > t1.
Memory: If the output at time t1 depends in general on the past values of the input x(t) for some range of values of t up to t=t1.


[tex]x(t)[/tex] is random input and [tex]y(t)[/tex] is the output of [tex]x(t)[/tex]

For Eq1:

[tex]y(t) = |x(t)| = \left\{ \begin{array}{l}<br /> x(t)\; \mathrm{if}\, x(t) \geq 0 \\<br /> -x(t)\; \mathrm{if}\, x(t) < 0<br /> \end{array}\right.[/tex]

I said this system is CASUAL and MEMORYLESS.
  • Casual - because at time t, y(t) will depend only t from the input function x(t), not some other arbitrary t value.
  • Memoryless - because the outputs at time t do not depend on previous inputs.

For Eq 2:


[tex]y(t) = \int_0^t\lambda x(\lambda)d\lambda[/tex]

I said this system is CASUAL and has MEMORY.
  • Casual - because at time t, it doesn't really depend on the future. It only depends on the past, so I'm guessing casual. *This I'm not too sure about*
  • Memory - because the outputs at time t do depend on previous inputs since youre taking the integral from 0 to time t. *I'm almost sure about this one*
 
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Both your answers look good to me. By the way, it's "causal" not "casual". :wink:
 
learningphysics said:
Both your answers look good to me. By the way, it's "causal" not "casual". :wink:

Hahha, I just realized that. Wow.

Thanks tho.
 
Now, Eq1 is obviously linear, but when I graph eq2, it seems to be nonlinear... does that make sense?
 
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Yes.

- Warren
 
chroot said:
Yes.

- Warren

is it because when you take derivatives and integrals, the terms will become nonlinear

also, in the one DefualtName posted, for equation 2, would that be a time varying or time invariant one. i would say varying because the actual output will be different from the input
 
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