Electric Charge: Finding Q_1 Given Q_2 & r

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves two charged balls that repel each other after touching, with a focus on determining the charge of the first ball given the charge of the second ball and the relationship between the forces at different distances.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the implications of the signs of the charges in the force equations and question the validity of the derived equations based on these signs. There is also exploration of the nature of the solutions obtained for the charge of the first ball and whether both solutions could be valid.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants examining the setup of the equations and the implications of their solutions. Some guidance has been provided regarding checking the consistency of the solutions with the force ratios, but no consensus has been reached on the correctness of the solutions.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working under the constraints of the problem statement and the relationships derived from Coulomb's law, while also considering the physical implications of the signs of the charges involved.

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Homework Statement


The distance between two small balls of the same radius and charge is r. If we release the balls they approach, touch and then repulse each other. When their distance is 4r the repulsive force is 1/20th of the initial force. What is the charge of the first ball if the second's is Q_2 = 2*10^-5 C?

Homework Equations


F = 9*10^9*Q_1*Q_2 / r^2
Their charge after the collision: Q = (Q_1 + Q_2) / 2

The Attempt at a Solution


In the end I got a quadratic function but the discriminant was negativ.
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##20 = \frac{16Q_1Q_2}{Q^2}##. Can this equation possibly be true if you consider the signs of the charges?
 
TSny said:
##20 = \frac{16Q_1Q_2}{Q^2}##. Can this equation possibly be true if you consider the signs of the charges?
You're right. And if I write -20 instead of 20? Because the force in (2) is in the opposite direction as in (1).
 
I think that should work.
 
I did it. The two solutions are: -4*10^-6 C and -1*10^-4 C. Both of them are negativ. How can I decide which one is correct? Or maybe there's two correct solutions?
 
I get different answers for Q2. But I think you have it set up correctly (with -20).

To see if both solutions make sense, calculate Q for both answers. Then check if both solutions lead to the correct ratio of forces for the attraction at r and the repulsion at 4r.
 

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