Electric Field Between Three Point Charges

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The discussion revolves around calculating the electric field vector at the position of charge B in a system of three point charges, specifically focusing on the case where one charge is significantly larger than another. The problem involves understanding the effects of charge positions and distances on the resultant electric field.

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  • Participants explore the calculation of the electric field due to multiple charges and discuss the algebraic manipulation required to arrive at a solution. Questions arise regarding the treatment of small displacements and the validity of dropping higher-order terms in the equations.

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Some participants have provided algebraic expressions for the electric field and are comparing their results with a given answer. There is an ongoing exploration of whether the initial expressions are correct and if any conceptual misunderstandings exist. The discussion reflects a collaborative effort to clarify the approach and reasoning behind the calculations.

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Participants note the absence of explicit instructions regarding the treatment of small displacements and the implications of using differential notation in the problem statement. There is also mention of specific relationships between the distances of the charges that may influence the calculations.

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Homework Statement



1. Compute the electric field vector at the position of charge B for the case where q_{A}=4q_{C} and r_{1}=2r_{2}

2. Suppose that all three charge are positive and that q_{A}=4q_{C}. Consider the case where f q_{B} is moved to the right by a distance dr.
Now r_{1} = 2r+dr and r_{2}=r-dr. Find the electric field vector in terms of q_{C},r,dr and \epsilon_{0} and deduce the direction in which q_{b} will move.

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Homework Equations



\overrightarrow{E} = \frac{1}{4\pi \epsilon_{0}}\frac{q}{r^{2}}\hat{r}

The Attempt at a Solution



Part 1 is simple, put everything in terms of r_{2} and q_{c} and add the field due to each charge as vectors\overrightarrow{E}_{b} = \frac {1}{4\pi \epsilon_{0}}(\frac {4q_{c}}{4r^{2}_{2}} - \frac {q_{c}} {r^{2}_{2}}) \hat{i}
\overrightarrow{E}_{b} = 0 \hat{i}

Part 2 is where I'm a little stuck. I try to find the field due to charge A and C as before:

\overrightarrow{E}_{b} = \frac{q_{c}}{4\pi \epsilon_{0}}(\frac{4}{(2r+dr)^{2}}-\frac {1} {(r-dr)^{2}}) \hat{i}

The given answer is:

E=\frac{q_{c}}{4\pi\epsilon_{0}} \frac{-3 dr}{r^{2}(r-dr)}

But no matter how much I manipulate my expression, I can't seem to get anything very close to it. It just gets messier and messier.
I guess I'd just like to ask if my initial expression is correct and I'm just messing up the algebra, or if I've missed something conceptual, or if I have yet a different problem.
Thanks
 
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I get something that resembles the answer, but not exactly. Distance of A r + dr , B r/2 - dr. Dropped the subsequent dr2 terms.
 
I'm sorry, but why did you need to consider A and B rather than A and C? I figured I'd have to find the electric field due to A at a distance of 2r+dr, due to C at a distance of r-dr and sum them? Also why were you able to drop the subsequent dr^{2} terms? i figured that despite differential notation being used, nowhere in the problem statement did they actually say the displacement was infinitesimal so I wasn't confident discarding dr terms.
I realized I didn't actually include where I got to with the algebra in my original post, so here it is:

\frac {q_{c}} {4\pi\epsilon_{0}} \frac {-3(4r-dr)dr} {(r-d)^{2}(2r+d)^2}

I can then force out an r^{2} term as in the given solution, but still, terms not in the given solution remain.

Thanks for your help, I really appreciate it.
 
Sorry I meant C. I thought that it is implied by the dr notation that one should consider it to be very small increments in r. Squaring these would then tender them even smaller. It is common practice to drop such squared terms then in further equations.
 
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Oh of course! Thank you so much, I worked through the algebra again, removing all dr terms to the second or greater power and I came up with the provided solution exactly. I suppose I was just worried that I'd made a conceptual error about the electric field somewhere along the way.
 

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