Electric Field Inside a Hollow Sphere

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The discussion revolves around the electric field inside a hollow sphere with small holes at opposite ends of its diameter. Participants explore the implications of the sphere being a non-conducting insulator with a uniform surface charge density and the effects of external charges approaching the sphere. The conversation includes theoretical considerations and potential variations based on the size of the holes.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the claim that the electric field inside the hollow sphere is zero, suggesting that the patches created by the holes may generate a field.
  • Several participants emphasize the need for additional information regarding the sphere's properties, such as whether it is a conductor, its charge distribution, and the size of the holes.
  • A participant clarifies that the sphere is an insulator with a uniform surface charge density and describes a specific scenario involving an external charge approaching one of the holes.
  • Some participants propose that if the holes are small, the electric field inside can be approximated as if there were no holes, while others speculate on the effects of larger holes on the electric field.
  • It is suggested that increasing the size of the holes could lead to a more significant electric field inside the sphere, with a comparison made to a one-dimensional ring configuration.
  • A later reply confirms that for non-negligible-sized holes, there will be an electric field inside the sphere that depends on the size of the holes, while noting that the small holes allow the charge to pass through without significant complications.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the impact of the holes on the electric field inside the sphere. While some agree that small holes can be neglected, others argue that larger holes would create a measurable electric field. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact implications of hole size on the electric field.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations related to assumptions about the sphere's properties and the specific conditions under which the electric field is analyzed. There are unresolved questions about how the size of the holes affects the electric field and the behavior of external charges.

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Let's assume that we have a hollow sphere with holes at opposite ends of the diameter. What would be the field inside the hollow sphere? I know that we can look at this as the superposition of the hollow sphere without holes and 2 patches with opposite surface charge density. For some reason, in my book, they say that the electric field inside is zero. No explanation. I mean sure, the electric field from the hollow sphere without holes is zero, but what about the patches? Wouldn't they create a field inside the hollow sphere?
 
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We need more information. Is the sphere a conductor? Does the sphere carry any charge? If so, how is the charge distributed? Are there any charges external to the sphere? How big are the holes? What is the specific example that is being discussed in your book? What book are you using?
 
TSny said:
We need more information. Is the sphere a conductor? Does the sphere carry any charge? If so, how is the charge distributed? Are there any charges external to the sphere? How big are the holes? What is the specific example that is being discussed in your book? What book are you using?
It's an insulator. Assume that charge is uniformly distributed across its surface and that it has a surface charge density ##+\sigma##. There is an external charge that's travelling towards one hole. Assume that they are small (also, what happens as the radius of the holes increases?). The specific example that is being discussed in my book is this one:

Inside a hollow, nonconducting, uniformly charged sphere of mass ##m_1## and radius ##r##, at the ends of one of the diameters we carve out 2 small holes. The charge of the sphere is ##q_1##. At the start of the composition, the sphere is at rest and far away from it a charge of mass ##m_2## and charge ##q_2## starts travelling towards it with speed ##v_0##. Charges ##q_1## and ##q_2## are of the same sign and the charge is travelling towards one of the holes and we want it to exit on the other side. How much time will the charge spend inside the sphere? Assume that there is no friction.

The book I'm using was written in another language so it wouldn't be of much help to you if I mentioned which one it is.
 
Thank you for clarifying the setup. I feel pretty sure that by calling the two holes "small", it is intended that you may take the electric field inside the sphere (due to the surface charge) to be essentially the same as if there were no holes.
 
TSny said:
Thank you for clarifying the setup. I feel pretty sure that by calling the two holes "small", it is intended that you may take the electric field inside the sphere (due to the surface charge) to be essentially the same as if there were no holes.
Oh, great. So, if the holes were larger, the effect would be larger? Could this be illustrated by for example slowly increasing the radius of the holes to the point at which the sphere slowly becomes a 1 dimensional ring? It just seems more intuitive that way.
 
Heisenberg7 said:
Oh, great. So, if the holes were larger, the effect would be larger? Could this be illustrated by for example slowly increasing the radius of the holes to the point at which the sphere slowly becomes a 1 dimensional ring? It just seems more intuitive that way.
Yes. For non-negligible-sized holes, there will be some electric field inside the sphere that depends on the size of the holes. Also, the field outside the sphere is modified by the holes.

In this problem, the holes are assumed to be small enough that you can neglect these complications. The small holes exist only to allow the charge ##q## to pass through the interior of the hollow sphere.
 
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